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14-07-2018, 02:02 PM | #1 | ||
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-trump-214472
Very interesting as it strikes a very familiar chord! If good st nothing else - the Left certainly have a good go at undermining those that don’t share their views. |
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14-07-2018, 02:09 PM | #2 | |||
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14-07-2018, 02:10 PM | #3 | |||
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So it's nothing to do with the right demonising those they don't like?.... Sure Jan.
Loving these right wing blogs, wherever do you find them all?
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14-07-2018, 02:13 PM | #4 | ||
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I agree with most of that tbh
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14-07-2018, 02:46 PM | #5 | ||
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There are ‘racists’ on both sides of the argument but there is no doubt that the pushiness of the Left has been a major driver for the two big votes. Have they learned anything from that - it seems not! But neither side is going to back down so I guess it’s watch this space.
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14-07-2018, 02:47 PM | #6 | ||
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Yes, I believe the left is to blame for both Trump and Brexit..and the way the world seems to be moving slowly right.
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14-07-2018, 02:47 PM | #7 | ||
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14-07-2018, 02:55 PM | #8 | ||
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I disagree.
People annoyed with the fact that the world is becoming more progressive became Trump's core audience and most of his other voters voted for him because they believed he was looking at for them when, everything he has done in office has shown that he is only interested in protecting the rich and corporations which is why a lot of people who voted for him won't vote for him again. It essentially came down to people believing the fairy tales that Trump was peddling over the fact checking that showed him up because he spun a tale that was more pleasing to their ears. I think something very similar happened in Brexit too which is why you had Gove making headlines by telling people to ignore the expert opinions because they didn't like what was being said, why lies on a bus were so prevalent in the Leave campaign. It's nothing to do with the left or the right, it's just that far too many people in today's world will believe what they want to believe even if facts show it to be wrong. People prefer to live in a fantasy rather than accept the reality of any given situation. Last edited by Tom4784; 14-07-2018 at 02:55 PM. |
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14-07-2018, 02:58 PM | #9 | |||
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“At the roundabout, take the first left”
“Bloody PC brigade and their agendas, not today TomTom” *heads back home to find anti-left news-articles for tibb*
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14-07-2018, 03:04 PM | #10 | |||
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I think there is a lack of open mindedness and unwillingness to understand any other point of view from the left. It comes over as a bit of a patronising we know best, without actually listening to any other stand point.
With regard Trump, I think he is a creep but I found the demonstrations embarrassing and childish. I also struggle to understand the Trump hate when other meglomaniacs come and go from the UK without so much as a chant and a banner. It makes me question how genuine the views on the left are.
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14-07-2018, 03:12 PM | #11 | ||
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It's a pissing contest that both sides are guilty of. |
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14-07-2018, 03:14 PM | #12 | ||
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14-07-2018, 03:33 PM | #13 | |||
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did the Democrats put up Hilary Clinton. Some of the left voted for Trump because they never want the Clintons back Hilary gave us Trump FACT Last edited by arista; 14-07-2018 at 03:34 PM. |
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14-07-2018, 03:38 PM | #14 | |||
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Yes but he Moved the Embassy as he said he would And started Trade Wars with China and the World both he pledged to do. just 2 examples. Sure no Wall , as yet. Not Fantasy But Fact Dezzy |
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14-07-2018, 03:45 PM | #15 | |||
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The democrats are only perceived as left leaning in the USA, they wouldn't be classed that way in a european context
Hilary was disliked by a huge number of Americans and the democrats totally misjudged that, but it was the person more than the politics that allowed Trump in. and with regard to it only being left leaning protesters in the UK, that is simply not true. Trump's brand of politics doesn't sit well with many, from all sides in the UK. |
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14-07-2018, 03:58 PM | #16 | ||
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14-07-2018, 04:11 PM | #17 | ||
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14-07-2018, 04:13 PM | #18 | |||
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...I think there are many reasons that Trump became President Trump...some were anti Hilary votes, some were anti-establishment votes...some yeah, would have been support of his views on Mexico and immigration and agreement with his wall etc...some people would have voted just because they liked Trump, no other reason..also he was more skilled at playing the media in a way the public respond to media....lots of things created Trump, the shock that many USA people thought they would never get.....he was never created by the left views though, that blog or article as very, very simplistic...I have no idea who the person is who wrote it...
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14-07-2018, 05:53 PM | #19 | |||
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Correct many on the Left never wanted Hilary they wanted Bernie Saunders. |
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14-07-2018, 05:58 PM | #20 | |||
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14-07-2018, 07:01 PM | #21 | |||
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I feel like we sort of watched this all happen before during the second term of Bush, how badly he was treated by the press, and how the Republicans were framed in as the party of Evil... Obama was the anthesis of this, and I'll admit, I ate that all up then. Though on local level, I've always opted for a more conservative option as an independent. Unfortunately now, I see the fruits of what this has bore, and I don't like it. Personally, I want US to retain its freedoms, it's most basic rights and I don't want to give up my ability to remain independent from any ideology that is the trend of the moment. However... There is already plenty of proof that there is this big desire to take apart the Constitution as it's written, rewrite it and undermine our most basic liberties at the state level in order to pursue their vision of the expansion of State. They tried this with the Supreme Court when they changed the filibuster rules for Supreme Court nominees. Something I remember being very livid about then, and is also one of the other reasons why people may have voted Trump now, was to prevent the Supreme Court from being undermined by having only left-leaning judges. This is the Democrats only real "solution" to our problem.... what other solutions would they profer other than to from scream racist at every corner? Surely that accomplishes jack all, look at SD. All their solid cards have been played in the major cities, and that's not worked out there to end poverty and stop crime (for example), and it's only so long you can keep playing the race/victim card and pointing to the other side. So the only other "path forward they can take at this point is to pass along their terrible policies to the federal level and expand the state so that they can "enact" their policies that way... I can't tell you how anthetical that all is against our form of democracy and our national identity... that will not fly with the average American voter once they realize they've been duped. Targeting Trump in a personal fashion distracts from all that for the time-being, but I think people will eventually ask those questions and that will probably go very badly, for both parties, if I'm honest... Note* I think my keyboard needs to be cleaned I think, so there may be some areas that need pruning/correcting... -_- Just ignore the aa's... |
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14-07-2018, 07:17 PM | #22 | |||
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Agree with this. The left didn't create Trump but they did contribute. He took advantage of the discourse within the US played the media and pulled off an unlikely win.
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14-07-2018, 07:23 PM | #23 | |||
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The GOP establishment had no time for Trump during the Primaries until it looked like he was going to win. I wonder how many of the establishment now regret supporting him
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14-07-2018, 07:46 PM | #24 | ||
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There are many reasons that people voted Trump ranging from being core republicans, to completely agreeing with him. However, yes, the reason that ENOUGH people voted for Trump was backlash against a push for too much social change too quickly. People seeing injustices and changes that need to happen but not allowing that change to be gradual; insisting that it must be ALL and NOW.
The push back was inevitable and it's exactly the same push back that allowed Brexit to happen. |
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14-07-2018, 07:53 PM | #25 | |||
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Why is this same argument always brought up .
But it's OK for the right wing / right side to belittled & mock the left wing / left side and call them "snowflakes" & "libtards" because that's not childish or disrespectful at all right ?? |
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