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Remain | 30 | 54.55% | ||||
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Leave | 18 | 32.73% | ||||
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15-04-2019, 09:36 AM | #4351 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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Yeah I've always thought the anger at the Lib Dems over that was misplaced. They were the junior partner in government so they were never going to be able to enact all their pledges as any manifesto is based on what you would do as a majority government. If the Lib Dems hadn't been in government though the fees rise would have been tougher than it ended up being and they achieved more in 5 years in government than they ever could in opposition. On the one hand people complain about FPTP and want PR but then they also punish a party for making the necessary compromises in a coalition government. I actually think the Con-Lib coalition was a pretty sensible and moderate government and better than what we've had since
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15-04-2019, 10:17 AM | #4352 | ||
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I mean, I'm not sure that "better than what we've had since" is exactly an endorsement.
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15-04-2019, 10:31 AM | #4353 | |||
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self-oscillating
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it has to be remembered the situation they inherited from labour, complete with the note that there was no money left. That really puts a damper on pleasing the people with lots of jelly and donuts.
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15-04-2019, 10:35 AM | #4354 | |||
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Oh no, I'm English
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I wasn't a fan of that version of labour, but it was the financial collapse of 2008 that was the biggest cause, not labour themselves. The tories then made that worse with the cruelness of indefinite austerity.
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15-04-2019, 12:34 PM | #4355 | ||
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But the idea that the global recession that was occurring at that time was "Labour's doing" is and always has been ridiculous...
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15-04-2019, 03:28 PM | #4356 | |||
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Yet that's the narrative the Tories fall back onto each and every time
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15-04-2019, 03:31 PM | #4357 | |||
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You know my methods
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15-04-2019, 05:05 PM | #4358 | ||
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15-04-2019, 05:09 PM | #4359 | |||
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15-04-2019, 05:29 PM | #4360 | ||
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OK then the Pan-European / North American recession, if we're being pedantic. The point stands that it wasn't "caused by Labour" and would have occurred no matter who was in power in the UK at the time, or in the lead up.
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15-04-2019, 05:32 PM | #4361 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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15-04-2019, 05:42 PM | #4362 | |||
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self-oscillating
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If you are running on empty, its gonna hurt when times are tough, and that was entirely labours fault. |
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15-04-2019, 05:51 PM | #4363 | ||
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15-04-2019, 06:15 PM | #4364 | |||
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15-04-2019, 06:24 PM | #4365 | ||
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Completely right, TS. But we can't allow facts to get in the way of political ****-stirring can we
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15-04-2019, 06:42 PM | #4366 | ||
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Remembering Kerry
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The financial crash may well have been worse had the Conservatives been in power at the time.
Because under David Cameron, the Conservatives attacked Labour for regulating the Banks too much. They wanted the Banks regulated less. A major mess was going to be in place no matter who was in power at the time. |
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16-04-2019, 10:22 AM | #4367 | |||
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[Their first decision was to
go on holiday': EU's Verhofstadt fears UK will waste Brexit delay Guy Verhofstadt says the delay is "too near for a substantial rethink of Brexit" and "too far away to prompt any action".] https://news.sky.com/story/their-fir...delay-11695220 |
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17-04-2019, 08:11 AM | #4368 | |||
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Oh no, I'm English
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17-04-2019, 11:57 AM | #4369 | |||
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17-04-2019, 12:04 PM | #4370 | |||
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self-oscillating
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She has tried to stop us leaving without a deal which isn't being a snake
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17-04-2019, 04:29 PM | #4371 | |||
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17-04-2019, 04:34 PM | #4372 | |||
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17-04-2019, 05:22 PM | #4373 | |||
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This Witch doesn't burn
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No surprises at all there
The General Election will be similar carnage if we don't leave, as there is no remain party as such, the independents missed a trick they should have called themselves the No Brexit Party
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17-04-2019, 06:28 PM | #4374 | |||
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17-04-2019, 06:53 PM | #4375 | |||
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Skinny Legend
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Green are a remain party
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