[bitontheslide]

twisting the meaning of posters words, and passive aggressively targeting them to meet your own agenda, is not the spirit of good debate

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

twisting the meaning of posters words, and passive aggressively targeting them to meet your own agenda, is not the spirit of good debate

And who are you accusing of this??

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To put it as simply as we can;

If he has a heart attack they'll treat him. If he wants a vasectomy he's going to have to buy a donut pillow because it'll be a longer drive.

So he is not banned in the usual sense of being banned, it’s a partial ban, like when you were banned from SD

I just wonder why when NHS staff are regularly physically and verbally abused why this partial ban shouldn’t be introduced as a regular thing across the board then

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So he is not banned in the usual sense of being banned, it’s a partial ban, like when you were banned from SD

I just wonder why when NHS staff are regularly physically and verbally abused why this partial ban shouldn’t be introduced as a regular thing across the board then

Round my way it's standard practice. People are barred for misbehaviour from treatment centres, but that ban doesn't include life threatening illness

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Round my way it's standard practice. People are barred for misbehaviour from treatment centres, but that ban doesn't include life threatening illness

Oh that’s good, never heard of this before but it makes a lot of sense, they need to start fining people who turn up at A and E for non emergencies as well

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh that’s good, never heard of this before but it makes a lot of sense, they need to start fining people who turn up at A and E for non emergencies as well

i've seen seemingly innocuous people threaten doctors receptionists for completely trivial reasons and that has to stop, so I'm all for it. If people can't put their point across politely, they shouldn't be there.

[Ammi]

...I think there is a notice up in most..(..if not all..)..A & E sections ...as well as in most..(..if not all..)..GP surgeries..a zero tolerance policy notice of verbal and physical abuse etc...and although NHS treatment is not being denied as a whole...it can obviously be denied at a particular medical establishment if it’s non emergency/non life threatening...I’m guessing that zero tolerance is usually upheld, it’s just that this incident has gained media interest...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've seen seemingly innocuous people threaten doctors receptionists for completely trivial reasons and that has to stop, so I'm all for it. If people can't put their point across politely, they shouldn't be there.

...well that’s the thing really...innocuous is not a physical thing that can be seen or something we could know about someone...they were obviously not innocuous if their behaviour was threatening...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think there is a notice up in most..(..if not all..)..A & E sections ...as well as in most..(..if not all..)..a zero tolerance policy notice of verbal and physical abuse etc...and although NHS treatment is not being denied as a whole...it can obviously be denied at a particular medical establishment if it’s non emergency/non life threatening...I’m guessing that zero tolerance is usually upheld, it’s just that this incident has gained media interest...

Yes I have seen those notices, they are everywhere now, the tube, supermarkets, cinemas etc, but I didn't know what people were actually banned, I guess it is easier to do this in a hospital setting as a note can be put on file, far more difficult to implement in other areas of life unfortunately

With regard to media interest I think someone being physically attacked should take precedence over someone being a complete twat which I think most people can get over more than a physical assault.

[AnnieK]

A girl I work with got a letter from our local hospital warning her that she would be banned if she took her kids to A and E for non emergency situations again. She was a very nervous parent when they were young and did take them a lot for things that a pharmacist could have advised on. She was mortified after getting the letter and actually relaxed a little

[Ammi]

...sorry I don’t understand..this incident of racism didn’t take priority over an ongoing physical attack...a zero policy is a protection of staff from all abuse, both verbal and physical...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...sorry I don’t understand..this incident of racism didn’t take priority over an ongoing physical attack...a zero policy is a protection of staff from all abuse, both verbal and physical...

My comment was in regard to the media interest, I have never seen a 'banned from hospital' story before, maybe there have been dozens and I haven't seen them though

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes I have seen those notices, they are everywhere now, the tube, supermarkets, cinemas etc, but I didn't know what people were actually banned, I guess it is easier to do this in a hospital setting as a note can be put on file, far more difficult to implement in other areas of life unfortunately

With regard to media interest I think someone being physically attacked should take precedence over someone being a complete twat which I think most people can get over more than a physical assault.

Get over your racial abuse...it's not like youve been punched in the face! Is that what you're saying?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...sorry I don’t understand..this incident of racism didn’t take priority over an ongoing physical attack...a zero policy is a protection of staff from all abuse, both verbal and physical...

Yes that's what zero means Ammi.

2 of my cousins were Doctors, on times they were in a&e at times, they came across verbal and physical incidents.
Some were frightening too.
They no longer work in the UK though,having gone abroad to do their medical work after this government's appalling treatment of junior Doctors.

This request from this 'patient', was clearly fuelled from his own unacceptable racism.
I can't see how any cannot see that, if they don't.
Racism will come under the zero tolerance criteria too, as it is abuse in itself.

[Ammi]

...(..I’m hoping...)...there aren’t many mindsets of demanding a ‘white doctor and not a foreigner’ and that it’s a more rare occurrence in A & E..so I would say there are specifics with this incident which gained the interest of national media...

[bitontheslide]

i think we need to be careful and look at the specifics. I'm perfectly entitled to go to a hospital and request to be treated by someone with red hair and tattoos of Margaret Thatcher. The hospital is equally entitled to say that's not possible. If I then cause a disturbance because I am not able to get what I want, I'm at fault for creating the disturbance, and that's what I would be banned for.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think we need to be careful and look at the specifics. I'm perfectly entitled to go to a hospital and request to be treated by someone with red hair and tattoos of Margaret Thatcher. The hospital is equally entitled to say that's not possible. If I then cause a disturbance because I am not able to get what I want, I'm at fault for creating the disturbance, and that's what I would be banned for.

...you would be banned for the disturbance for sure...(...typical of you with your disturbing behaviour, bots.....)...but your demands of a specific medical person did not show a prejudice because of race, religion, sexuality etc...in this incident that was the case ...you were just unreasonable, this is prejudice ..they can’t be quite comparable in the same way...

[Ammi]

...I read that this was also reported to the police for ‘hate speech’...whether charges will be brought, I don’t know...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Get over your racial abuse...it's not like youve been punched in the face! Is that what you're saying?

No

[lime]

Originally Posted by Mokka

They call themselves coloured? Or do the actually ask white men to call them coloured.

There is a difference

Thats just a silly post.Coloured people do not ask or seek permission to be called coloured...they are coloured with their own culture and my fok they make a lekker curry...My best friend Magda is coloured and I have shown her these post's.It upsets her as a colured woman to see her culture as offensive

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by lime

Thats just a silly post.Coloured people do not ask or seek permission to be called coloured...they are coloured with their own culture and my fok they make a lekker curry...My best friend Magda is coloured and I have shown her these post's.It upsets her as a colured woman to see her culture as offensive

South African culture is not understood as much in the West Lime.
Coloureds or Cape coloureds as they were known are proud of their culture.

[Ammi]

...so in South Africa ‘coloured’ is a specific term used to denote a multi-heritage, is that what you’re saying, Lime...but the term in the U.K. and indeed also in Canada where Mokka is from...does not imply the same meaning...it’s an out-dated terminology that implied a ‘non-white’ skin colouring and the ‘white colouring’ being considered ‘the norm’....

[lime]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so in South Africa ‘coloured’ is a specific term used to denote a multi-heritage, is that what you’re saying, Lime...but the term in the U.K. and indeed also in Canada where Mokka is from...does not imply the same meaning...it’s an out-dated terminology that implied a ‘non-white’ skin colouring and the ‘white colouring’ being considered ‘the norm’....

Ammi you are one of my favortie posters here .I don't like that you use the words that coloured is term to denot a person of multi-heritage...Coloured people are coloured people and very proudly so....It is not a term used by "White men"as Mokkka has said.Many people are multi-heritage....that doesn't make them coloured...I am struggling to understand that people fail to understand that saying colored is offensive whilst knowing that saying Magda and her family as very proud colored people are upset when in the west their culure is described as offensive

[lime]

Originally Posted by smudgie

South African culture is not understood as much in the West Lime.
Coloureds or Cape coloureds as they were known are proud of their culture.

I am beginig to see it Smudgie

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so in South Africa ‘coloured’ is a specific term used to denote a multi-heritage, is that what you’re saying, Lime...but the term in the U.K. and indeed also in Canada where Mokka is from...does not imply the same meaning...it’s an out-dated terminology that implied a ‘non-white’ skin colouring and the ‘white colouring’ being considered ‘the norm’....

I think that's the issue really, the white-by-default. Either "default" or "coloured" which makes it quite a loaded term.