[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and all governments provide money to local authorities to deal with things like this, talk to your local councillor and volunteer to help?

Aye, the local authorities that have all had their budgets slashed so struggle even more to do what they need to, also, full time carer here, no time to help, that’s what people always tell me ‘why don’t you just work some hours a week to help get more money?’ If I could I would, I’d love to go out there and help more people, because I care about people.

[Ammi]

...I guess the ironies are that we as a country don’t want the immigrants taking up our resources when we have so many ‘home grown’ homeless that we really want to help...and we don’t want to be sending funds to other countries in poverty when we have so much poverty ourselves...and yet the homelessness that’s such a country concern and priority, keeps growing and growing...

[Toy Soldier]

The fun will really start when the Tories do NOT slash immigration, but actually increase Non-EU migration (the kind that your Katies and Tommys REALLY don't like).

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Labour voters are always so negative about their sorry financial state, their bad health, the services in their town not having enough money spent on it, how they need more support and just generally how hard their lives are.

You mean the people worst affected by cuts complain about them the most? that's really odd I can't fathom why it might be that way.

[Livia]

The fun will really start when everybody stops moaning or gloating, depending on which side you're on, and the government is given a chance.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The fun will really start when the Tories do NOT slash immigration, but actually increase Non-EU migration (the kind that your Katies and Tommys REALLY don't like).

That will happen.

India already said no trade deal without easing immigration restrictions

[Jigs]

This was a Brexit-centric election above anything else. Corbyn's promises to help the marginalised communities of our nation fell on deaf ears whereas Boris was Brexit focused and it paid off. People simply care more about Brexit than anything else at the moment so I'm not surprised at the result. I hope once Brexit's said and done that we can truly move forward with the real issues that this nation faces.

I realise the point of an election is for people to vote in their own interests but I do wonder how different the results would've been had the people of this country thought a little more about the 'what ifs'. What if I or someone that I love becomes gravely ill under a Tory government in the next 5 years? What if I encounter financial hardship and have to rely on the state? What if a fridge in my tower block goes up in flames and I lose my home? What then?
No one deserves to feel like they will be neglected or ignored by the people who run their country and should hold their best interests at heart. I think that's what bothers a lot of Labour supporters about the current state of affairs and this Tory government.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

This comes down to how spitefully we look down our noses at those with less than us I guess. It's purely ideological though because it's backed up my nothing resembling reality.

[Beastie]

People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Beastie

People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.

Drivel, everyone wants to make better of themselves and their lives, not everybody has the capability or the things necessary to be able to do so, I’m tired of this ‘its your fault you’re poor and needy, sort yourselves out you dossers’ it’s elitist bull**** used to try and justify continuously knocking the disadvantaged

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Drivel, everyone wants to make better of themselves and their lives, not everybody has the capability or the things necessary to be able to do so, I’m tired of this ‘its your fault you’re poor and needy, nobody else’s’ it’s elitist bull**** used to try and justify continuously knocking the disadvantaged

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Beastie

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

Big L

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Jigs

This was a Brexit-centric election above anything else. Corbyn's promises to help the marginalised communities of our nation fell on deaf ears whereas Boris was Brexit focused and it paid off. People simply care more about Brexit than anything else at the moment so I'm not surprised at the result. I hope once Brexit's said and done that we can truly move forward with the real issues that this nation faces.

I realise the point of an election is for people to vote in their own interests but I do wonder how different the results would've been had the people of this country thought a little more about the 'what ifs'. What if I or someone that I love becomes gravely ill under a Tory government in the next 5 years? What if I encounter financial hardship and have to rely on the state? What if a fridge in my tower block goes up in flames and I lose my home? What then?
No one deserves to feel like they will be neglected or ignored by the people who run their country and should hold their best interests at heart. I think that's what bothers a lot of Labour supporters about the current state of affairs and this Tory government.

Brexit has become a religion.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Beastie

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

Do you share a bedroom with 8 brothers and sisters?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you share a bedroom with 8 brothers and sisters?

I don't. And another thing. Having children is a LIFESTYLE choice. People moaning about benefits for their sprogs. If you can't afford them then don't have them. Or live with the consequences of living frugally. Why is the government and other people getting blamed for the lifestyle you have chosen

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Beastie

I don't. And another thing. Having children is a LIFESTYLE choice. People moaning about benefits for their sprogs. If you can't afford them then don't have them. Or live with the consequences of living frugally. Why is the government and other people getting blamed for the lifestyle you have chosen

See how much easier it is to tell other people to get over it?

No ones blaming the government for their lifestyle choices, they're blaming them for the honest and open attack on the poor an disabled over the last 10 years.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

This is the reason progressive politics fail. This attitude. God forbid you or yours ever need help.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

See how much easier it is to tell other people to get over it?

No ones blaming the government for their lifestyle choices, they're blaming them for the honest and open attack on the poor an disabled over the last 10 years.

Yet it was Labour who started privatising the NHS in the first place..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Beastie

Yet it was Labour who started privatising the NHS in the first place..

'New" labour who as we know now weren't ever Labour at all.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Beastie

Yet it was Labour who started privatising the NHS in the first place..

I said nothing about the NHS in that post. Ahh yes, we've been told that the last 10 years aren't enough to judge the tories on, but stuff from 15 years ago on the labour side is damning. Even you must realise that doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is the reason progressive politics fail. This attitude. God forbid you or yours ever need help.

Oh we've been rock bottom and we got out of it by working hard,no one is saying the poor shouldn't get help ,of course they should,but many people are not poor they are just lazy.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh we've been rock bottom and we got out of it by working hard,no one is saying the poor shouldn't get help ,of course they should,but many people are not poor they are just lazy.

The people who are lazy and scrounge from the government are in the minority, yet people use them as an excuse to demonise everyone that needs help, it’s appalling

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The people who are lazy and scrounge from the government are in the minority, yet people use them as an excuse to demonise everyone that needs help, it’s appalling

No one is using them but people always seem to want blame someone else for their problems when SOMETIMES it is solely down to them .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one is using them but people always seem to want blame someone else for their problems when SOMETIMES it is solely down to them .

You mean like the bankers who caused the crisis.
And yet we bailed them out and paid for it with austerity.
The rich ****ed up, the poor paid. Tory justice.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The people who are lazy and scrounge from the government are in the minority, yet people use them as an excuse to demonise everyone that needs help, it’s appalling

where are you getting this brand new information from?