[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

quit with the sarcasm Nicky, too many people on this forum have been personally affected by covid. Also quit with the constant slagging off of the vaccine that most people on this forum have chosen to take. You are not helping

what sarcasm?

i was told i should be more optimistic towards UK

so i am more optimistic


good no longer gonna slag off AZ vaccine then, then it is to be blamed on a bad batch of AZ here in the EU, but that is no excuse for us, since we also got other vaccines than this one


well Netherlands (my own country) really not proud of our lacklustre mess, slightly over 2 million vaccinated is far too little

[Cherie]

I am so confused, they won't use it and are waiting on Curevac and Sputnik but they won't export it either

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has voiced support for EU chief Ursula von der Leyen's threat to block AstraZeneca vaccines produced in the bloc from being exported, ahead of a crunch EU summit on the escalating row.

"I support Commission President Ursula von der Leyen," said Merkel.

"We have a problem with AstraZeneca," she added.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...covid-vaccine/

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am so confused, they won't use it and are waiting on Curevac and Sputnik but they won't export it either

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has voiced support for EU chief Ursula von der Leyen's threat to block AstraZeneca vaccines produced in the bloc from being exported, ahead of a crunch EU summit on the escalating row.

"I support Commission President Ursula von der Leyen," said Merkel.

"We have a problem with AstraZeneca," she added.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...covid-vaccine/

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch

[Vanessa]

The EU need to get vaccinating if they want to get cases down.
They're so behind, they've messed this up.
I really feel for people in Europe, they should be getting vaccinated, it's a complete disaster!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch

Vaccination is the only way out of this.
Why don't they just use other vaccines?
They can't delay any longer.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch

We're using it again in Ireland anyway

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

We're using it again in Ireland anyway

That's very good.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The EU need to get vaccinating if they want to get cases down.
They're so behind, they've messed this up.
I really feel for people in Europe, they should be getting vaccinated, it's a complete disaster!

Its all political grandstanding and its costing lives

The EU is a disgrace

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch

is that why they are not exporting, who knew

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

We're using it again in Ireland anyway

My sister's husband got his this morning, he has health issues so up the list

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My sister's husband got his this morning, he has health issues so up the list

Gavin's dad got his first jab last week (it was the Pfizer one though) It will be a massive weight off Gavin when he's got both

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Gavin's dad got his first jab last week (it was the Pfizer one though) It will be a massive weight off Gavin when he's got both

[bitontheslide]

i'm nearly 3 weeks in from my first jab, so from a confidence perspective, it makes all the difference in the world. People shouldn't underestimate the difference it makes mentally after the year we have had

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm nearly 3 weeks in from my first jab, so from a confidence perspective, it makes all the difference in the world. People shouldn't underestimate the difference it makes mentally after the year we have had

Yeah I was a bit worried about how fast they were rolled etc at the start but tbh at this stage I just don't care, I'd take anything to get life back to some sort of normality

[LeatherTrumpet]

well thats is me 48 hours past my first jag and no after effects

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I was a bit worried about how fast they were rolled etc at the start but tbh at this stage I just don't care, I'd take anything to get life back to some sort of normality

Yes, I can't wait to have some normality back.
Its going to be amazing!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I was a bit worried about how fast they were rolled etc at the start but tbh at this stage I just don't care, I'd take anything to get life back to some sort of normality

Bojo will be secretly shipping AZ via Rosslare after Mehole's support earlier

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its all political grandstanding and its costing lives

The EU is a disgrace

I get vaccine nationalism, every nation wants to look after its own citizens and get its economy back on track, but what is frustrating about this is they have stockpiles of the stuff they won't use, France is a vaccine hesitant nation anyway so Macrons comments haven't helped at all, and yet they don't want anyone else to have it either

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Bojo will be secretly shipping AZ via Rosslare after Mehole's support earlier

I'll take it

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Gavin's dad got his first jab last week (it was the Pfizer one though) It will be a massive weight off Gavin when he's got both

3 weeks after the first vaccine it seems from all the data so far, you're basically "out of the woods" in terms of severe risk to health / death regardless of second dose. Although is Ireland sticking with the actual guidelines and giving 2nd dose after 3 weeks?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's the most important thing by far but it will mean remembering that the only figures worth watching (once vaccination percentage is high) will be hospitalisations and deaths, case numbers will become somewhat irrelevant.

Exactly. Press will soon switch from deaths to 'cases'. Even though cases dont even matter tbh as long as people are as safe and not likely to be very ill or die

Could have half the bloody country infected and it shouldn't really matter.

[Vanessa]

I'm having my second one in May.
Can't wait.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I get vaccine nationalism, every nation wants to look after its own citizens and get its economy back on track, but what is frustrating about this is they have stockpiles of the stuff they won't use, France is a vaccine hesitant nation anyway so Macrons comments haven't helped at all, and yet they don't want anyone else to have it either

hmm that explains it

how many vaccinations have been done in France as of today anyway?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: ministery of health our vaccination rollout rate will rise from 250.000 jabs a week to 400.000 jabs this week and 500.000 jabs next week

daily average of jabs will increase from 32.000 to 57.000 jabs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

3 weeks after the first vaccine it seems from all the data so far, you're basically "out of the woods" in terms of severe risk to health / death regardless of second dose. Although is Ireland sticking with the actual guidelines and giving 2nd dose after 3 weeks?

I'm not sure tbh, I'll let you know when he gets the 2nd jab