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06-10-2022, 07:59 AM | #176 | |||
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19-01-2023, 03:43 PM | #177 | |||
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Alec Baldwin to be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter
His Lawyers are going to fight it. Last edited by arista; 19-01-2023 at 03:44 PM. |
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19-01-2023, 03:46 PM | #178 | |||
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19-01-2023, 03:49 PM | #179 | |||
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Some Staff had left the set
just before the death. |
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19-01-2023, 03:49 PM | #180 | |||
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the armourer is going to take the fall
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19-01-2023, 03:55 PM | #181 | |||
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19-01-2023, 03:55 PM | #182 | |||
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19-01-2023, 03:57 PM | #183 | |||
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well whose responsibility are the guns for, the armourer
any person even those with the lowest IQ's can understand that duh the gun props are locked in storage and the armourer has to guard those and hand them to the actors, producers when being taken to set soooo lock that person up, for life hopefully, for murder
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19-01-2023, 03:59 PM | #184 | |||
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She (Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
is Young Nicky Ideal to get the Blame Hannah Last edited by arista; 19-01-2023 at 04:02 PM. |
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19-01-2023, 04:03 PM | #185 | |||
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that's literally asking for trouble, because that is a man's job, nothing for a schoolgirl
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19-01-2023, 04:05 PM | #186 | |||
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Yes, in the USA, Women have Rights maybe she was cheap enough as a Proper Qualified Fella would cost so much more. Alec had to trim the Production costs to keep the movie being made Last edited by arista; 19-01-2023 at 04:07 PM. |
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19-01-2023, 04:30 PM | #187 | |||
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Skinhead girl.
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20-01-2023, 01:44 AM | #188 | |||
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It appears to have been an accident from his perspective.
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20-01-2023, 05:05 AM | #189 | |||
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not really, he was the films producer and ultimately responsible for those employed on the set and their safety. The fact he also fired the weapon is just an added complication
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20-01-2023, 06:21 AM | #190 | |||
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20-01-2023, 10:08 AM | #191 | |||
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שטח זה להשכרה
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20-01-2023, 10:12 AM | #192 | |||
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Everyone who handled the pistol, from the armourer to Baldwin himself, should have checked the firearm. The final person who should have checked was Baldwin. They ALL failed.
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20-01-2023, 10:40 AM | #193 | |||
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Yes, but Baldwin is blaming the young lady And so are his Lawyers I was amazed to learn he wants the film to get made, still. |
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20-01-2023, 11:41 AM | #194 | |||
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Whoever was in charge of the weapon is guilty,but Baldwin should have also checked it. I will never understand why in this day & age ...when health & safety is meant to be the priority ,that live ammunition was ACTUALLY USED when it's supposed to be a prop .
Have production teams learnt nothing from previous disasters & deaths ... Brandon Lee being the one that really sticks in my mind. |
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20-01-2023, 04:04 PM | #195 | |||
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I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off .. But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Last edited by Zizu; 20-01-2023 at 04:06 PM. |
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20-01-2023, 04:16 PM | #196 | |||
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they have a whole series of protocols that need to be followed when using fire arms on set, none of them seem to have been followed. As the films producer, that is Baldwin's responsibility
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20-01-2023, 04:27 PM | #197 | |||
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I would say that in a case like this, the person whose actual role is to be responsible for the operation and safety of the firearms is genuinely "more" to blame and I also think it's right that Baldwin's part in the blame is being part of the production (and thus ultimately responsible for everyone's safety) rather than being the actor who fired the gun. If he was JUST an actor in it I would have said it's harsh for him to be charged at all.
I think in the end though, with CGI being as good as it is these days, there's a very good argument to be made for simply not allowing live ammunition to be on film sets at all. Blanks only. The Brandon Lee case is actually slightly different - a bullet from a previous take was lodged in the barrel and it WAS a blank that was loaded for the scene when he was shot... but a live round is basically a blank (case & powder) + a bullet... so the blank fired the lodged bullet that was stuck. It's still a handling error, and it still would have been avoided if they hadn't been using live rounds at all, in any take. |
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20-01-2023, 04:29 PM | #198 | |||
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And as I said above - use live rounds far less, or not at all, and rely more on post-processing. |
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20-01-2023, 05:17 PM | #199 | |||
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Because wasn't Baldwin producing the film aswell , He wasn't just acting was he ?. He's been in the business a long time aswell. But like I said.... especially the person dealing with the gun ,but everyone on set should have done safety checks.
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20-01-2023, 10:04 PM | #200 | |||
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But yes everyone involved in handling the gun in any way should have checked it including Baldwin, and those in charge of the production had a responsibility to make sure everything was being done with the right procedures. |
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