[arista]

Was Debated on GMBHD itv
and LBC this morning.


Years ago all kids were
ready at age 2.


Some parents have this all wrong

[Cherie]

Probably think its against their human rights or something, just lazy...

[Mystic Mock]

So how old are these kids when they're starting to be potty trained?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So how old are these kids when they're starting to be potty trained?

Aged 4 or 5

[Ammi]

…here’s a today’s article that might have prompted your LBC debate, Arista…and gives context to the reason for the discussion…?…

Half of parents do not think toilet training is solely their job – poll



Half of parents do not think toilet training is solely their responsibility, a survey suggests.

Teachers are having to spend 2.5 hours of their day, on average, helping children who are not developmentally ready for Reception, according to a report by early years charity Kindred2.

More than 1,000 staff in primary schools and 1,000 parents of Reception age children in England and Wales were surveyed by Savanta for Kindred2.

The online poll of school staff, carried out in October and November 2023, suggests that 50% of them believe issues with school readiness are worse than in September 2022.

School staff reported that 39% of children in Reception struggle to hold a pencil, 37% are unable to dress independently, 25% do not have basic language skills and 24% are not toilet trained.

Primary school staff also reported that 28% of children in Reception “incorrectly use books” – for example, they swipe or tap them as if using an electronic device.

One teacher said: “I feel like we’re not teaching as much in the first year now as we used to – it’s more babysitting… teaching them basic skills…It’s like being the parent for them. You know, what they should have done at home.”

The study found that parents and teachers hold different views on school readiness – with 91% of parents reporting that their child was ready for school when they entered Reception.

The online survey of parents, carried out in October 2023, suggests that 50% of parents think some of the responsibility for toilet training lies elsewhere – including with schools.

More than two in three (69%) of school staff think parents need more guidance about what is expected of children at this age.

The report found that parents and teachers agree that there are a number of factors that are contributing to the lack of school readiness – including screen time and cost-of-living pressures.

Felicity Gillespie, director of Kindred2, said: “The shocking findings in this year’s report should be a watershed moment for schools and parents because we know that children who are behind before they begin Reception are more likely to struggle throughout life.”

She added: “If teachers are still having to spend on average 2.5 hours of their day helping children who are developmentally behind before they begin their school-based education, every child misses out.

“Better, earlier information and a national conversation about whose job it really is to get children off to the best start is needed now.”

Geoff Barton, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), said: “It’s concerning that more children appear to be starting primary school without the basic life skills they need.

“Early years education plays a crucial role in children’s development and has a real bearing on their readiness to start school. It’s therefore vital that all children have the opportunity to access high-quality education from a young age.

“As this survey states, the rising cost of living is not conducive to this aim. Where families are only able to access limited free childcare, children are more likely to miss out on vital early years learning.

“There needs to be investment in early years education to ensure the sector has the capacity to provide all children with the best possible start to their education, and that families have the support they need to access these settings.”

A Department for Education (DfE) spokesperson said: “We recognise that children’s early years are crucial – which is why we are providing a package of training, qualifications and expert guidance for early years workers, which includes support for them to improve children’s speech, language and communication skills.

“Parents can also access support to help with their child’s development via the Government’s Family Hubs and Start for Life programme. This is part of our £300 million investment to transform services for parents, carers, babies and children in 75 local authority areas across England.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/half-paren...000100377.html

[Cherie]

A child who is still in nappies at 4 or 5 should be recorded as abuse, unless the child has some developmental delay they should be potty trained by 2 and a half, this follows on from another story a few weeks ago where parents thought teachers should be teaching kids how to brush their teeth

[Niamh.]

Half of parents don't think it's solely their job? that's crazy. Total lazy parenting

[bitontheslide]

the parents are taking the piss

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the parents are taking the piss

They just don't give a s**t

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the parents are taking the piss

…when the potty puns start… you know it’s time that you weren’t logged in anymore has always been my life rule….

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…when the potty puns start… you know it’s time that you weren’t logged in anymore has always been my life rule….

yeah, it's a real crapper

[smudgie]

Kids weren’t allowed in school nursery class unless they were potty trained when my friend was a nursery teacher years ago.
I think 2 years old is a good age to be fully trained.
Teachers are there for educational needs, not ruddy parental stand ins.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Kids weren’t allowed in school nursery class unless they were potty trained when my friend was a nursery teacher years ago.
I think 2 years old is a good age to be fully trained.
Teachers are there for educational needs, not ruddy parental stand ins.

Yep same when my kids were younger

[LeatherTrumpet]

nappies cost a packet are they getting them on benefits?

[arista]

Thank You Ammi.

[Soldier Boy]

They shouldn't even need "training" (kids are not dogs) in my experience, just generally understanding the use of the toilet and getting the gist should be enough? Suggests there will be other things going on TBH. My youngest was still totally non-verbal until she was at least 5, but was out of nappies by 3. There hadn't been any "talking" about it - because there couldn't have been.

Honestly I think part of the problem is people being overly weird/private about "bathroom stuff" with kids these days. If a kid knows how their parents/siblings use the toilet, they will start using the toilet. It's very, very simple and basic human (and not just even human) nature. Mimicry is how they learn.

[LeatherTrumpet]

i wonder what the racial and religious breakdown is here?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i wonder what the racial and religious breakdown is here?

I don’t think that’s got any bearing on this.

[Soldier Boy]

I would actually argue that strictly "by age 2" seems a little on the harsh side to me. My eldest was just 18 months but I don't think it should be considered any real cause for concern if it's like 2.5 or 3 (even without developmental delay). 3+ might need to look at getting some extra support.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i wonder what the racial and religious breakdown is here?

Of course you do. No one else does.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think that’s got any bearing on this.

id rather see the data and make my own mind up...

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

id rather see the data and make my own mind up...

I mean if we really have to go down that route, my guess would be that the most neglected kids at your average nursery in Glasgow are being picked up by a chalk white beer swilling yobbo in the latest Rangers top amirite LT?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I would actually argue that strictly "by age 2" seems a little on the harsh side to me. My eldest was just 18 months but I don't think it should be considered any real cause for concern if it's like 2.5 or 3 (even without developmental delay). 3+ might need to look at getting some extra support.

I think between 2-3 is (or was) generally the norm

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Kids weren’t allowed in school nursery class unless they were potty trained when my friend was a nursery teacher years ago.
I think 2 years old is a good age to be fully trained.
Teachers are there for educational needs, not ruddy parental stand ins.

Great sense
no wonder it is on
TV and Radio today

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Kids weren’t allowed in school nursery class unless they were potty trained when my friend was a nursery teacher years ago.
I think 2 years old is a good age to be fully trained.
Teachers are there for educational needs, not ruddy parental stand ins.

I wouldn't advocate for that though. Don't discriminate against children for the failings of their parents.