[arista]

Was Debated on
Headliners the full one-hour
Newspaper Review. GBnewsHD

They Pointed out UK Labour's Starmer
is to bring in this law.



[Zoraya ter Beek, (pictured) who lives in a
small village in the Netherlands,
suffers from depression and has autism and
a borderline personality disorder.
She has decided to end her life by euthanasia
after a psychiatrist told her
'there's nothing more we can do for you'
and that 'it's never gonna get any better']



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-birthday.html

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Was Debated on
Headliners the full one-hour
Newspaper Review. GBnewsHD

They Pointed out UK Labour's Starmer
is to bring in this law.



[Zoraya ter Beek, (pictured) who lives in a
small village in the Netherlands,
suffers from depression and has autism and
a borderline personality disorder.
She has decided to end her life by euthanasia
after a psychiatrist told her
'there's nothing more we can do for you'
and that 'it's never gonna get any better']



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-birthday.html

Blimey this story is so sad


I am autistic / ADHD with elements of OCD and have battled depression since my teenage years ( 50 years ago) .

I have also had some very dark thoughts now and again over the years when things just got on top of me but thankfully I never reached the part where you actually decide to act on those thoughts .

Depression is s terrible illness but when you throw in the complexities of autism it’s a whole new game .


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Blimey this story is so sad


I am autistic / ADHD with elements of OCD and have battled depression since my teenage years ( 50 years ago) .

I have also had some very dark thoughts now and again over the years when things just got on top of me but thankfully I never reached the part where you actually decide to act on those thoughts .

Depression is s terrible illness but when you throw in the complexities of autism it’s a whole new game .

It is not like the UK
this is the nation of Nicky.

The Psychiatrist sounds like,
was giving the wrong advice to her.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Blimey this story is so sad


I am autistic / ADHD with elements of OCD and have battled depression since my teenage years ( 50 years ago) .

I have also had some very dark thoughts now and again over the years when things just got on top of me but thankfully I never reached the part where you actually decide to act on those thoughts .

Depression is s terrible illness but when you throw in the complexities of autism it’s a whole new game .


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I know that this is a really personal question that I'm about to ask, so I understand if you don't want to answer.

But for you personally, what would you say is the hardest condition to live with?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

It is not like the UK
this is the nation of Nicky.

The Psychiatrist sounds like,
was giving the wrong advice to her.

yeah well it's pretty easy to quickly say ''there is nothing we can do for you''

instead of actually trying your best to help her


more comes across like ''don't be a waste of our time, so we can 'help' as many people as possible to earn some quick cash''

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I know that this is a really personal question that I'm about to ask, so I understand if you don't want to answer.

But for you personally, what would you say is the hardest condition to live with?

Autism .

I’m finding it hard to put into words but the traits ( the ones particular to me - as every autistic person has their own individual set ) that come with Autism make life so tremendously difficult / draining each and every day .

Even the most basic problem of trying to appear to be normal when in the company of others ( close family included) is such a strain .. mentally and physically ..


For future reference (to everyone) I don’t mind answering any questions - I’m not a brilliant wordsmith though


Apparently I’m one of the lucky ones in that even though I suffer ( in many ways ) due to autism.. I am AWARE that I’m different and able to learn / develop strategies to help me cope and even appear to be somewhat normal .

So I can blend into everyday life / work / meetings/ gatherings / parties and nobody would guess how traumatic each and every day can be ..

Many autistics are trapped ( to varying degrees obviously) in their own little worlds.

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[UserSince2005]

What ever makes you happy hunny 🥰

[Redway]

After some clomipramine and trifluoperazine and intense DBT you never know who she might be. Maybe she just hasn't found the right treatment.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Autism .

I’m finding it hard to put into words but the traits ( the ones particular to me - as every autistic person has their own individual set ) that come with Autism make life so tremendously difficult / draining each and every day .

Even the most basic problem of trying to appear to be normal when in the company of others ( close family included) is such a strain .. mentally and physically ..


For future reference (to everyone) I don’t mind answering any questions - I’m not a brilliant wordsmith though


Apparently I’m one of the lucky ones in that even though I suffer ( in many ways ) due to autism.. I am AWARE that I’m different and able to learn / develop strategies to help me cope and even appear to be somewhat normal .

So I can blend into everyday life / work / meetings/ gatherings / parties and nobody would guess how traumatic each and every day can be ..

Many autistics are trapped ( to varying degrees obviously) in their own little worlds.

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I think you're quite articulate Zizu. I enjoy your posts.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Redway

After some clomipramine and trifluoperazine and intense DBT you never know who she might be. Maybe she just hasn't found the right treatment.

I so agree with this. It's terrible to write her off, especially at 33. Smacks of "can't be bothered".

Poor lady.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I think you're quite articulate Zizu. I enjoy your posts.

Hugz


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[Redway]

"Person X with borderline personality disorder (especially quiet BPD) is struggling? Why can't they just go to the doctors?"

Because short of intensive dialectical behavioural therapists and psychiatrists/psychologists who really know their holistic onions about giving its treatment a good go, a good bash, more doctors than not tend to be absolutely useless when it comes to BPD. Unless you're slitting your wrists every weeknight and going for crazy joyrides after you feel rejected or abandoned, they wash their hands off-of you. They don't care. They'll treat other conditions (like depression) but they'll neglect your BPD unless you're in an explosive crisis. The therapy that's genuinely helpful for people with borderline isn't offered that much in this part of the world. British therapists are very behind when it comes to dialectical therapy, and a lot of the time the shrinks won't even consider medication for it, because they see it as inherently untreatable. Yeah, BPD is hard to treat but there are options and it's every bit as deserving of treatment as diabetes or cancer.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I so agree with this. It's terrible to write her off, especially at 33. Smacks of "can't be bothered".

Poor lady.

Terrible, innit, Kate?

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Redway

Terrible, innit, Kate?

An emphatic yes. She should sue that psychiatrist.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kate!

An emphatic yes. She should sue that psychiatrist.

There are people working in healthcare who just shouldn't be. You hear the daftest, stupidest shii from people who just lack empathy or haven't got the right attitude.

[Kate!]

I wish there was an opportunity to speak to this lady and tell her that life could be worth living.

When I had my mental breakdown I thought my life was over. I've come a long way since 2014. I wasn't suffering to the extent she is but it was bad enough.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I wish there was an opportunity to speak to this lady and tell her that life could be worth living.

When I had my mental breakdown I thought my life was over. I've come a long way since 2014. I wasn't suffering to the extent she is but it was bad enough.

2014 was a tough year for me, too, Kate, and ditto with quite a lot of people I know. Started off fine for moi (mostly) but it all went downhill after the first two-and-a-half months and I just didn't see how I was going to be able to put up with life as it was like this and keep doing life. I wouldn't say I was actively suicidal but I just didn't see a way through it, and what I was dealing with actually wasn't a quick fix with an easy solution anyway. It all ended up falling on my shoulders and I had to be my own best advocate, as-usual.

But yeah. There was definitely something in the water that year. A lot of people really suffered and struggled in 2014.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Redway

2014 was a tough year for me, too, Kate, and ditto with quite a lot of people I know. Started off fine for moi (mostly) but it all went downhill after the first two-and-a-half months and I just didn't see how I was going to be able to put up with life as it was like this and keep doing life. I wouldn't say I was actively suicidal but I just didn't see a way through it, and what I was dealing with actually wasn't a quick fix with an easy solution anyway. It all ended up falling on my shoulders and I had to be my own best advocate, as-usual.

But yeah. There was definitely something in the water that year. A lot of people really suffered and struggled in 2014.

This is exactly how I felt too.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kate!

This is exactly how I felt too.

2014 was a terrible, terrible year.

[parmnion]

Everyone should have this option open to them.

[parmnion]

I took a load of paracetmals and vodka in 2010, ended up asleep, and woke spewing white froth. It lasted for over 8 hours.

I wouldn't recommend trying that.. I would seriously consider euthanasia though, even though I ain't gonna be topping myself anytime soon.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I wish there was an opportunity to speak to this lady and tell her that life could be worth living.

When I had my mental breakdown I thought my life was over. I've come a long way since 2014. I wasn't suffering to the extent she is but it was bad enough.

I had that same exact thought but I was scared of someone having a go at me for suggesting it ..


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I had that same exact thought but I was scared of someone having a go at me for suggesting it ..


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Don’t be scared. Most of us here have been through dark times and know what you’re trying to say.

Parmy. come over and have some haggis on the house.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I had that same exact thought but I was scared of someone having a go at me for suggesting it ..


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Ahh, it means you're thoughtful and caring.

[Ammi]

…it kind of ‘normalises’ suicide, doesn’t it…I was reading a bit about the process/Zoraya ter Beek speaking about it and how there’ll be coffee, there’ll be relaxation and calm and maybe there’ll be chilled conversation…?…I think so…and then there’ll be the euthanasia alongside…I tried to imagine watching that scene on a movie and how shocking and stunning it would feel and would be…

…I don’t know how I feel about it, but then it really isn’t up to me to feel anything…I also read that ‘the European way’ as it has been called is available or has been available to children as young as 12yrs old…