[Showstopper]

I really do have to take my hat off to some of the posters on this site. Some of the outlandish rubbish I have read in relation to the relationship of John James and Josie is not only off the wall, but off the damn planet.

so lets take a closer look at some of the fact and fiction being thrown around at the moment.

The Fiction - John James was simply good friends with Josie and over time she has misinterpreted his intentions, escalated things and forced herself upon him. Due to shyness he has let things go to far and now he is stuck in a "romance" he never wanted. He just dosen't have the guts to tell her in case he hurts her feelings and embarasses her on national TV

The Fact - John James is a twenty something year old grown man who had the confidence to travel half way around the world to enter BB. He's known to shoot his mouth off at times, and lets face it he could have an arguement with himself in an empty room. Are we to believe that the same person who reduced Rachel to tears on more then one occasion on national tv is going to continue in a romance because he's too scared to speak up? He is a grown man not a 12 year old boy. If he didn't want to be with Josie he wouldn't


The Fiction - The "showmance" is a game plan. By partaking in a romance, John James is sure to get the votes of the teenage girls etc, magazine deals after the show, and make lots of money

The Fact - Look at Kris from last years BB. He was perceived to be doing the fake romance thing and the public romanced his ass out the door. That "plan" would be completely illogical. Look at Sezar the sleazer, he was never heard of again. Because of his looks John James will prob get magazine deals etc anyway, he dosent need Josie for that. Also Josie has now said she won't sell her story, that didnt even register with John James.

The Fiction - The romance will allow him and Josie to sail through to the final and possibly win.

The Fact - HM's in romances have done well at times in BB, but thats been down to their personalities more then any romance. Their are easier ways to win. If that was JJ's ploy he wouldnt be spending half the day in bed under a duvet. if he was willing to go to those lengths to win he would also take more care of what he says, he wouldn't have slagged off the two Rachel's like he has. He also wouldn't have walked out the fire exit. For all he knew he may not have been let back in. To pull off a plan like that would take a huge amount of self control, self control which John James has proved he dosent have

The Fiction - John James always look uncomfortable when Josie trys to kiss him etc.

The Fact - Some people are private people and are not into public displays of affection. I can understand completely where he is coming from. I wouldn't like to be snogging the face off someone knowing my family and friends are watching. He is also in a house being watched by the public. Anything he does is being judged. Wouldn't that make you paranoid

You can micro analyse every little thing Tripple J do, but to be honest I see no reason not to take them at their word in regards to their relationship.

You may not like them. and you may not like their relationship, but it is real

[fingers]

What complete and utter white(hog)wash!

[parmnion]

you wear a hat?!!

[flamingGalah!]

LOL!!

Keep telling yourself all that OP & you might just believe it too...

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by fingers

What complete and utter white(hog)wash!

Originally Posted by parmnion

you wear a hat?!!

Excellent Arguments.

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

LOL!!

Keep telling yourself all that OP & you might just believe it too...

and yet not one single legitimate point disputing it

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

and yet not one single legitimate point disputing it

Don't need to, we have been watching & formed our own opinions... It is you that felt you needed to somehow justify their "relationship"...

[BBGermany]

The Fact - John James wears too much eyeliner

[rusticgal]

I agree to some of what you have said.Unfortunatly some people on here can only see black and white....
I really think that both of them are very REAL.They really like each other but are holding back on any real commitment because they both realise that they may not feel as strongly outside the house and that it is an false situation they are in.
Neither will do anything more than kiss and cuddle... if they did more you would have people slaughtering them on here...but because they dont people accuse them of being 'fake'.
I like their commitment.If Josie went this week I really thin John James will go...although not sure about Josie.However that doesnt mean she likes him less...in a way it makes her a stronger person.John James is outspoken and controversial but he is also a loyal softy.
I like them both.... and either deserve to win.

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Don't need to, we have been watching & formed our own opinions... It is you that felt you needed to somehow justify their "relationship"...

Yes I have seen what you have formed your opinions on. Amateur psychology for the monumentally stupid

[Niamh.]

Brilliant post SS, I agree completely with you. To the point about not wanting to display affection publicly I saw him going to hug and kiss Josies neck the other day and one of the cameras must have moved towards them cos you could see him reacting to it, like he got a fright and kind of got embarrassed and pulled away. It was definitely a reaction to the fact that he remembered where he was and that he was being filmed.

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I agree to some of what you have said.Unfortunatly some people on here can only see black and white....
I really think that both of them are very REAL.They really like each other but are holding back on any real commitment because they both realise that they may not feel as strongly outside the house and that it is an false situation they are in.
Neither will do anything more than kiss and cuddle... if they did more you would have people slaughtering them on here...but because they dont people accuse them of being 'fake'.
I like their commitment.If Josie went this week I really thin John James will go...although not sure about Josie.However that doesnt mean she likes him less...in a way it makes her a stronger person.John James is outspoken and controversial but he is also a loyal softy.
I like them both.... and either deserve to win.

I think they would both go if the other went unless they were in the final.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

Yes I have seen what you have formed your opinions on. Amateur psychology for the monumentally stupid

Ah resorting to personal insults now to try & get your opinion across... yes that will do it...

[LeatherTrumpet]

too much writing op

can someone do some highlights for this thread?

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Ah resorting to personal insults now to try & get your opinion across... yes that will do it...

I was talking in general of opinions posted on the forum that were based on nothing. My most humble of apologies if you felt I was insulting you personally

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

I really do have to take my hat off to some of the posters on this site. Some of the outlandish rubbish I have read in relation to the relationship of John James and Josie is not only off the wall, but off the damn planet.

so lets take a closer look at some of the fact and fiction being thrown around at the moment.

The Fiction - John James was simply good friends with Josie and over time she has misinterpreted his intentions, escalated things and forced herself upon him. Due to shyness he has let things go to far and now he is stuck in a "romance" he never wanted. He just dosen't have the guts to tell her in case he hurts her feelings and embarasses her on national TV

The Fact - John James is a twenty something year old grown man who had the confidence to travel half way around the world to enter BB. He's known to shoot his mouth off at times, and lets face it he could have an arguement with himself in an empty room. Are we to believe that the same person who reduced Rachel to tears on more then one occasion on national tv is going to continue in a romance because he's too scared to speak up? He is a grown man not a 12 year old boy. If he didn't want to be with Josie he wouldn't


The Fiction - The "showmance" is a game plan. By partaking in a romance, John James is sure to get the votes of the teenage girls etc, magazine deals after the show, and make lots of money

The Fact - Look at Kris from last years BB. He was perceived to be doing the fake romance thing and the public romanced his ass out the door. That "plan" would be completely illogical. Look at Sezar the sleazer, he was never heard of again. Because of his looks John James will prob get magazine deals etc anyway, he dosent need Josie for that. Also Josie has now said she won't sell her story, that didnt even register with John James.

The Fiction - The romance will allow him and Josie to sail through to the final and possibly win.

The Fact - HM's in romances have done well at times in BB, but thats been down to their personalities more then any romance. Their are easier ways to win. If that was JJ's ploy he wouldnt be spending half the day in bed under a duvet. if he was willing to go to those lengths to win he would also take more care of what he says, he wouldn't have slagged off the two Rachel's like he has. He also wouldn't have walked out the fire exit. For all he knew he may not have been let back in. To pull off a plan like that would take a huge amount of self control, self control which John James has proved he dosent have

The Fiction - John James always look uncomfortable when Josie trys to kiss him etc.

The Fact - Some people are private people and are not into public displays of affection. I can understand completely where he is coming from. I wouldn't like to be snogging the face off someone knowing my family and friends are watching. He is also in a house being watched by the public. Anything he does is being judged. Wouldn't that make you paranoid

You can micro analyse every little thing Tripple J do, but to be honest I see no reason not to take them at their word in regards to their relationship.

You may not like them. and you may not like their relationship, but it is real

Oh dear, oh dear, the words "deluded and naive" don't even begin to sum up my opinion on this self indulgent fantasy.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by fingers

What complete and utter white(hog)wash!

This is putting it politely. Setting out an argument in the form of fact or ficticion by someone who can't tell the difference between fact, fiction and personal opinion is a complete fail.

[Julesuk]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I agree to some of what you have said.Unfortunatly some people on here can only see black and white....
I really think that both of them are very REAL.They really like each other but are holding back on any real commitment because they both realise that they may not feel as strongly outside the house and that it is an false situation they are in.
Neither will do anything more than kiss and cuddle... if they did more you would have people slaughtering them on here...but because they dont people accuse them of being 'fake'.
I like their commitment.If Josie went this week I really thin John James will go...although not sure about Josie.However that doesnt mean she likes him less...in a way it makes her a stronger person.John James is outspoken and controversial but he is also a loyal softy.
I like them both.... and either deserve to win.

Spot on

[Zippy]

Hahaha

he can't even bare to kiss her on the lips...

nuff said!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

I really do have to take my hat off to some of the posters on this site. Some of the outlandish rubbish I have read in relation to the relationship of John James and Josie is not only off the wall, but off the damn planet.

so lets take a closer look at some of the fact and fiction being thrown around at the moment.

The Fiction - John James was simply good friends with Josie and over time she has misinterpreted his intentions, escalated things and forced herself upon him. Due to shyness he has let things go to far and now he is stuck in a "romance" he never wanted. He just dosen't have the guts to tell her in case he hurts her feelings and embarasses her on national TV

The Fact - John James is a twenty something year old grown man who had the confidence to travel half way around the world to enter BB. He's known to shoot his mouth off at times, and lets face it he could have an arguement with himself in an empty room. Are we to believe that the same person who reduced Rachel to tears on more then one occasion on national tv is going to continue in a romance because he's too scared to speak up? He is a grown man not a 12 year old boy. If he didn't want to be with Josie he wouldn't


The Fiction - The "showmance" is a game plan. By partaking in a romance, John James is sure to get the votes of the teenage girls etc, magazine deals after the show, and make lots of money

The Fact - Look at Kris from last years BB. He was perceived to be doing the fake romance thing and the public romanced his ass out the door. That "plan" would be completely illogical. Look at Sezar the sleazer, he was never heard of again. Because of his looks John James will prob get magazine deals etc anyway, he dosent need Josie for that. Also Josie has now said she won't sell her story, that didnt even register with John James.

The Fiction - The romance will allow him and Josie to sail through to the final and possibly win.

The Fact - HM's in romances have done well at times in BB, but thats been down to their personalities more then any romance. Their are easier ways to win. If that was JJ's ploy he wouldnt be spending half the day in bed under a duvet. if he was willing to go to those lengths to win he would also take more care of what he says, he wouldn't have slagged off the two Rachel's like he has. He also wouldn't have walked out the fire exit. For all he knew he may not have been let back in. To pull off a plan like that would take a huge amount of self control, self control which John James has proved he dosent have

The Fiction - John James always look uncomfortable when Josie trys to kiss him etc.

The Fact - Some people are private people and are not into public displays of affection. I can understand completely where he is coming from. I wouldn't like to be snogging the face off someone knowing my family and friends are watching. He is also in a house being watched by the public. Anything he does is being judged. Wouldn't that make you paranoid

You can micro analyse every little thing Tripple J do, but to be honest I see no reason not to take them at their word in regards to their relationship.

You may not like them. and you may not like their relationship, but it is real

Only in your dreams:s leep:

[Niamh.]

I think it was a very well thought out and put together read anyway. And I agree with alot of what you've said. It beats the You're only jealous threads!

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by angus58

Oh dear, oh dear, the words "deluded and naive" don't even begin to sum up my opinion on this self indulgent fantasy.

which words do then ?

[agneth]

I do not believe any of this nonsense about showmances or whatever it is you call them.
I think Josie and John James genuinely like each other. Corin fancied JJ as soon as he walked into the house.

Let them get on with it. At least they're not shaming themselves or their families by having full on sex and snogging in full view of everyone. I think they want to have some privacy to explore their new found relationships and that's it.

It appears that someone people are very negative and like to condemn people for the sake of it.

[charmingmissc]

the op is right, like it or not they are genuine.

nobody elses opinions matter except theirs.

they have kissed on the lips, it is on a video and it is not the first time.

if they snogged in public the haters would be even worse, so they cannot do right for doing wrong.

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by Shiner

This is putting it politely. Setting out an argument in the form of fact or ficticion by someone who can't tell the difference between fact, fiction and personal opinion is a complete fail.

I love that expression - complete fail - its so cool