[billy123]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes there was trouble in some shops in Enfield
Twitter is used to get the Looters
and anyone there (ncluding kids).

There was some sort of media blackout last night because what was being reported on sky news and bbc news24 in no way reflected what was being reported as going on in brixton,edmonton,enfield,waltham and a few other places via twitter.

(I suppose it makes some sense as it would be like advertising a 100% off sale)

[arista]

Very young kids right in the middle of the 1st Riots.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

There was some sort of media blackout last night because what was being reported on sky news and bbc news24 in no way reflected what was being reported as going on in brixton,edmonton,enfield,waltham and a few other places via twitter.

(I suppose it makes some sense as it would be like advertising a 100% off sale)

Yes they only gave rough reports.

LBC Radio , though was up to date.

[billy123]

Paul lewis a guardian reporter was great last night he was on foot in london trying to keep pace with where the trouble was a lot of the troublemakers were using there own cars and black cabs to get about the police were pretty much clueless they were just chasing shadows all night.
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis
One of his last tweets this morning was "Something tells me we'll all be back here tomorrow"

I think the powers that be are terrified of this spreading outside of london.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Paul lewis a guardian reporter was great last night he was on foot in london trying to keep pace with where the trouble was a lot of the troublemakers were using there own cars and black cabs to get about the police were pretty much clueless they were just chasing shadows all night.
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis
One of his last tweets this morning was "Something tells me we'll all be back here tomorrow"

I think the powers that be are terrified of this spreading outside of london.

Yes its Smash a Shop Window Week


School Holiday Time.

[joeysteele]

This is total chaos almost now, I agree to a point with MTVN, there seems again a lot of answers to be got from the Police, having said that they have a really hard job to do.

That area is quite volatile but it's the damage and looting that annoys me a great deal, this is their community likely and they just go crazy. How do you deal with that.
Indeed answers are needed as to why someone with a gun, but not ready for use gets shot not once but twice, there are some gun happy Police as well.

The Police have a few problems of late with all sorts of questions as to how they conduct themselves but this does seem likely to escalate.
I don't believe violence solves anything, these protesters and demonstrators are doing themselves no good at all.
However,the Police do need to answer that question that MTVN pointed out, the gun was not ready to use, why 2 shots seemingly to the head and what happened to the use of tazers,why weren't they an option.

I fear though that things are going to get a great deal worse as to public and Police,there is less and less rapport and trust between them and these incidents are likely the tip of the iceberg as to the future.

[LeatherTrumpet]

This has nothing to do with police and everything to do with criminality, fecklessness and bad parenting - i would also throw into the mix the failure of multiculturalism

[karezza]

Looters should be shot on sight.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bobnot

As expected thank you and enjoy your fail.
No more needs to be said.

Unless you can back up your claims with examples then you will just be seen as a typical hysterical poster who gets in a huff if their pov is questioned..

[joeysteele]

I actually haven't seen many faces in the pictures since most have their hoods up and faces diverted away anyway.
I would never generalise as to who or what are doing this but I do know that (even if he/she had a gun, not ready for use), if one of my family or friends had been shot twice in the head by the ' Police' I would certainly want answers to that.
Seems a rather extreme and too rapid reaction from them on that incident.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This has nothing to do with police and everything to do with criminality, fecklessness and bad parenting - i would also throw into the mix the failure of multiculturalism

I have to agree with you LT. I've seen quite a bit of footage now, and of those who did not have their faces covered like the heroes they are, I saw only one white face. It's not racist to state what you see, and that's what I saw.

Makes me laugh when people try to make this into some kind of stand against "The Man". But it dilutes their freedom-fighting message when you see them all stumbling out of JD Sport and PC World loaded with boxes they've just looted.

I would say that the police do a bloody horrible job, and thank God they do, or we'd all be prisoners in our own homes while the dregs of society - like those involved in the trouble at the weekend - rampaged, robbed and looted.

A report I read stated that a "non-police firearm was recovered from the scene". Unlikely they'd have shot this "family man" for no reason considering the **** and hoops they have to go through every time a copper fires his gun, especially following the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes. Gun crime is out of control in this country, only a fool would say otherwise. Guns are illegal even for sportsmen, so I have no problem with the police shooting anyone caught in possession of a firearm.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Even if there was a case to argue against the police since when did rioting become the process in which to complain and affect change?

This is all to do with criminality and NOTHING to do with policing.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Even if there was a case to argue against the police since when did rioting become the process in which to complain and affect change?

This is all to do with criminality and NOTHING to do with policing.

Obviously I cannot disagree with that statement in the main, I don't think Marches,demonstrations ,even very peaceful ones achieve much at all really.

Criminality however is a wide area, if someone has a gun, yes they are armed but if there is no intent seen as going to use it,then that is what it is, he is armed, shouldn't be, but is carrying a gun, not actually using it though.
It was said he was running away,clearly no intent to use the gun then, so why the fatal gunshots to the head.
You mention criminality, well equally as with citizens the Police are 'not' above the law.

I would not be a Policeman for anything, they are hampered greatly in many situations and do overall a fantastic job, but that doesn't mean people can be shot dead by them unless there is absolutely no other way.

Look at the Raoul Moat case a while back, he was armed, he had killed someone, injured someone else, shot at and blinded a Policeman and yet he was the one who ended up shooting and killing himself.
The Police,before he did that, even in that extreme instance only used tazer guns.although obviously they were also armed too.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Me with dramatics, that's ironic Who said they should "bow down"? I didn't and I don't expect them to, however it would be nice if those who enforce the law don't go around shooting people in the head, don't think that's much to ask. Nice to know you have such regard for human life though, and consider death a perfectly appropriate punishment for possession of a firearm

It is thought the officer, who was taken to hospital and later discharged, was shot first but this is not known for certain, an IPCC spokesman said.

BBC News

[arista]

Originally Posted by karezza

Looters should be shot on sight.

No not 7 years olds.


Arrest there Parents though and Fine them Ł1,000

[King Gizzard]

My brothers work in wood green



****ing idiots, he lives really close to all of it as well

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nate

My brothers work in wood green



****ing idiots, he lives really close to all of it as well

I used to live in Wood Green

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I love the way you portray it as 'the police killing a local guy' - like he was some kindly gent, a pillar of the community, with nothing but good and kindness to offer the world.

Yeah, I find it hard to sympathise with all this blacks stabbing blacks over post code bollocks. And they always make him out to be some sort of hero with all his friends telling us how great he was and he was really "just a good guy" when in reality he was exactly the same as the person who killed him.

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I used to live in Wood Green

Normally a nice place Wood Green/Muswell Hill

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nate

Normally a nice place Wood Green/Muswell Hill

Wood Greek as it is called locally

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Chewy

BBC News

That's an earlier report, since then it looks like it was a police issue bullet that hit the officer and the victim's gun might even have been in a sock and therefore not ready for use - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...rns?CMP=twt_gu

The Guardian understands that initial ballistics tests on a bullet, found lodged in a police radio worn by an officer during Thursday's incident, suggested it was police issue – and therefore had not been fired by Duggan.

The latest developments come as one community organiser suggested the handgun recovered was found in a sock and therefore not ready for use

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Obviously I cannot disagree with that statement in the main, I don't think Marches,demonstrations ,even very peaceful ones achieve much at all really.

Criminality however is a wide area, if someone has a gun, yes they are armed but if there is no intent seen as going to use it,then that is what it is, he is armed, shouldn't be, but is carrying a gun, not actually using it though.
It was said he was running away,clearly no intent to use the gun then, so why the fatal gunshots to the head.
You mention criminality, well equally as with citizens the Police are 'not' above the law.

I would not be a Policeman for anything, they are hampered greatly in many situations and do overall a fantastic job, but that doesn't mean people can be shot dead by them unless there is absolutely no other way.

Look at the Raoul Moat case a while back, he was armed, he had killed someone, injured someone else, shot at and blinded a Policeman and yet he was the one who ended up shooting and killing himself.
The Police,before he did that, even in that extreme instance only used tazer guns.although obviously they were also armed too.

It is illegal to possess a gun without a licence. If you have a gun and no licence it shows intent. Just being in possession of an illegal firearm shows intent.

[LeatherTrumpet]

All we need now is temperatures above 25 C and the Notting Hill Carnival

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That's an earlier report, since then it looks like it was a police issue bullet that hit the officer and the victim's gun might even have been in a sock and therefore not ready for use - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...rns?CMP=twt_gu

Why would anyone have an illegal gun down their sock - assuming that's what happened because no one actually knows yet because the information hasn't been released. If he had a gun on him, it was an illegal gun, so you have to ask yourself what he was planning to do with it.

I won't mention yesterday's footie result... it's still too raw.

[arista]

Yes Try them On
they are free Shoes
you Scum Looters and 7 year olds

JD Sports