[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Given some of your very own ludicrious posts, yes, I felt there was a meeting of minds between you and Mifletz - hardly an unusual phenomenon - people who share the same ideas. It's not a rare concept.

WHAT HAS MIFLETZ DONE TO DESERVE THOSE COMMENTS

Glad you confirmed that I am consistent.

YES RELIABLE IN YOUR DEGRADING OF PEOPLES COMMENTS.

ps. Chris Jefferies is innocent.

Have YOU inside information on that

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

WHAT HAS MIFLETZ DONE TO DESERVE THOSE COMMENTS

You know, you're right. (even with your messed up quote again!!) Mifletz didn't deserve to be likened to you, it was extremely good of you to acknowledge that one yourself.

Originally Posted by marney

Have YOU inside information on that

CJ is innocent. Yes I have inside information.

[marney]

[quote]

Originally Posted by pyramid*

you know, you're right. (even with your messed up quote again!!) mifletz didn't deserve to be likened to you, it was extremely good of you to acknowledge that one yourself.

Why post it in the first place then, you should really stop and think before you send out comments like that if you dont believe them to be accurate after all you are always slagging off others.

cj is innocent. Yes i have inside information.

I thought you did.

[Mifletz]

If it does not go to trial, how long is it before all the details of the case become available on the public record: days, weeks, months or even years?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Why post it in the first place then, you should really stop and think before you send out comments like that if you dont believe them to be accurate after all you are always slagging off others.

PMSL. You really aren't on the ball at all are you? !!!

Originally Posted by marney

I thought you did.

Like a moth to a flame Marney, like a moth to a flame.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Mifletz

If it does not go to trial, how long is it before all the details of the case become available on the public record: days, weeks, months or even years?

If he pleads Guilty, he will be remanded in custody until sentencing. At the sentencing hearing his defence team and himself will be given the opportunity to make a statement in mitigation, basically saying something in his defence.

If the judge has no reporting restrictions imposed on the sentencing, thats when what the police believe to have happened will come out. Bearing in mind he may have confessed all to the police sometime between initial arrest and the sentencing hearing.

The prosecution recap in court what the police and themselves believe to have occurred, the defence isnt allowed to challenge the prosecutions version. The defendant has at that time agreed to the prosecutions version by virtue of pleading guilty in the eyes of the law.

As for the accuracy of what is stated by the prosecution depends how long in advance they have had to interview him after he decided to plead guilty, co-operating with the police and CPS generally lightens any potential sentence.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

If he pleads Guilty, he will be remanded in custody until sentencing. At the sentencing hearing his defence team and himself will be given the opportunity to make a statement in mitigation, basically saying something in his defence.

If the judge has no reporting restrictions imposed on the sentencing, thats when what the police believe to have happened will come out. Bearing in mind he may have confessed all to the police sometime between initial arrest and the sentencing hearing.

The prosecution recap in court what the police and themselves believe to have occurred, the defence isnt allowed to challenge the prosecutions version. The defendant has at that time agreed to the prosecutions version by virtue of pleading guilty in the eyes of the law.

As for the accuracy of what is stated by the prosecution depends how long in advance they have had to interview him after he decided to plead guilty, co-operating with the police and CPS generally lightens any potential sentence.

Very informative.

The motive (if indeed, there is one - in that if it wasn't premeditated, on the premise that it's not been something that went horribly wrong) will be interesting to hear as well as all the other unaswered questions after her immediate death etc.

Either way, it's bad enough having someone you loved murdered, but for it to be a neighbour and one that they will have possibly known only a few short months since moving in, one can't imagine the 'ifs, but, maybes' that must be going through Greg's head. That question of 'Why' must be a living nightmare for him and of course, Joanna's parents. Tragic whatever way you look at it.

[Mifletz]

Now that the hearing has been set for May and the trial for October, for how much longer legally can CJ be kept on bail, longest case scenario?

Is it possible in the UK to be kept on bail almost indefinitely?

Is VT's calm as unmelted Dutch butter and polite demeanour to the judge at his pending pre-trial possibly 9 months incarceration a sign that he is guilty and has accepted his fate, as a genuinely innocent man would be physically agitated and angry in the extreme?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Mifletz

Now that the hearing has been set for May and the trial for October, for how much longer legally can CJ be kept on bail, longest case scenario?

There is no legally determined time a person can be kept on bail. However if CJ's legal team apply to the courts for the removal of his bail, a judge can determine the reasons for the police keeping him on police bail. The judge can also order the police to terminate the bail within a set time frame if no charges are forthcoming.

Originally Posted by Mifletz

Is it possible in the UK to be kept on bail almost indefinitely?

Yes, he hasnt been charged with an offence yet, once he is there are certain guarentees in law like the right to a trial without undue delays etc. Release on bail has been known to last several months. Not sure what the record for the longest is but is over a year.

He may be on bail for a related or an unrelated offence discovered during the murder inquiry and the CPS may be making a decision as to whether its in the public interest to charge him.

Originally Posted by Mifletz

Is VT's calm as unmelted Dutch butter and polite demeanour to the judge at his pending pre-trial possibly 9 months incarceration a sign that he is guilty and has accepted his fate, as a genuinely innocent man would be physically agitated and angry in the extreme?

Different people react in different way, as you say he may be guilty and have accepted his fate, though wouldnt he have just plead guilty at his initial court appearance? He may have the mind set that he is innocent and this will be proven after due process. He has been described by others purporting to know him as very calm and polite.

[Mifletz]

If he's innocent, to have to kick his heels in an English jail all those nine precious months until October, just to get to the start of the trial, must be a taste of Hell!

I know that other countries are even worse, but a nine month wait in jail for a trial is an inhuman insult.

Even if justice isn't served, all trials should be required to start within 2 months of being charged.

[CarriKP]

Originally Posted by Mifletz

If he's innocent, to have to kick his heels in an English jail all those nine precious months until October, just to get to the start of the trial, must be a taste of Hell!

I know that other countries are even worse, but a nine month wait in jail for a trial is an inhuman insult.

Even if justice isn't served, all trials should be required to start within 2 months of being charged.

My slightly cheeky guess here is that the prosecution needs that amount of time to get a convincing case together.

[CarriKP]

Originally Posted by CarriKP

My slightly cheeky guess here is that the prosecution needs that amount of time to get a convincing case together.

And as the date even then is 'provisional' it may never happen at all - perhaps?

[marney]

Joanna Yeates Funeral today 11/2/2011

A life taken needlessly, a death which touched the hearts of thousands. May your soul rest in peace Jo.

[Benjamin]

What happened with this? Did they find the killer?

[GypsyGoth]

Yea, it turned out that Braden was the killer.

[InOne]

Chris Jefferies is no longer a suspect. The Dutch guys trial is in Oct and he will most likely be found guilty.

All wrapped up in a nice neat little package

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Yea, it turned out that Braden was the killer.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Chris Jefferies is no longer a suspect. The Dutch guys trial is in Oct and he will most likely be found guilty.

All wrapped up in a nice neat little package

Has CJ been officially cleared and his bail conditions removed I take it? (Haven't really been keeping abreast since VT was arrested and charged).

Talking of VT - it puzzles me what his motive would have been?Or has it been somethng more innocent that all went tragically wrong? Either way - I guess the fact that he didn't exactly own up but let another man go through all sorts for nothing...... makes you wonder. Will be an interesting court case I think.

[InOne]

I just heard about CJ on the news this morning, was only a little snippet

[MTVN]

Yeah, he's definitely been released from bail now -http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12664581 - shame his character was permanently tarnished after his arrest

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

I just heard about CJ on the news this morning, was only a little snippet

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah, he's definitely been released from bail now -http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12664581 - shame his character was permanently tarnished after his arrest

Thanks for that folks..... I wasn't aware of the update. I totally agree with you MTVN - bloody shame for the man - he might have been a bit odd, but a murderer that doesn't make him - but the connection will very unfortunately live on.

Making me wonder if he's had any joy in taking legal action against the police for wrongful arrest, and for the defamation of character/libel against the newspapers.

[Pyramid*]

Update on the situ:-

Joanna Yeates suffered 43 separate injuries in slow and painful death
Minutes after 'squeezing the life' out of her Tabak text girlfriend to say he was 'bored'
Killer went shopping at Asda with body in the boot of his car


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1aTWgE0vF

[Marc]

This whole story upsets me so much. It's just horrible to think that she didn't even know the guy and to hear all the details of her death.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Update on the situ:-

Joanna Yeates suffered 43 separate injuries in slow and painful death
Minutes after 'squeezing the life' out of her Tabak text girlfriend to say he was 'bored'
Killer went shopping at Asda with body in the boot of his car


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1aTWgE0vF

This guy is a nut job!! I want to swear etc. but this forum wont let me!