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21-01-2012, 04:05 PM | #26 | |||
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This,the boy is just a psycho,no looking into his background just punish the bastard.
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21-01-2012, 04:06 PM | #27 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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It's pretty obvious though, that children are going to be far more prone to crime if they've had a bad childhood than a good one, it's not just a coincidence; these are the most susceptible years in a persons life
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21-01-2012, 04:09 PM | #28 | |||
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thats still no excuse
people saying he needs 'help' kmt how would you feel if he did this to your grandmother |
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21-01-2012, 04:09 PM | #29 | |||
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Agree exactly with MTVN's post. Tragic. We are who we are because of how are parents bring us up
However calling for him to be executed is laughable. Capital punishment on the whole is laughable. Last edited by King Gizzard; 21-01-2012 at 04:10 PM. |
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21-01-2012, 04:11 PM | #30 | |||
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Not for killers it's not,but how about have one of the prisoners give this boy an eye for an eye,see how he likes it when it's done back to him.
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21-01-2012, 04:12 PM | #31 | |||
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Yeah, bad background or not, if he had done this to my grandma, the only help he would need would be with drinking his meals through a straw.
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21-01-2012, 04:18 PM | #32 | |||
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He needs to be away from our society for a long long time, possibly forever. If he's doing things like that at 14 I doubt he can be changed or even come to feel remorse.
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21-01-2012, 04:18 PM | #33 | |||
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I fully agree with Lee.. I'd do away with the wee b@stard if it were my gran for example...
But, in terms of what should be done with him by the legal system, I think he ought to be 'held' for a long time... not necessarily in prison.. perhaps in a secure psychiatric unit. He's clearly disturbed. Dangerous criminals like him need to be kept away from the general public as the chance of him re-offending is very high. The first priority should be the safety of others, then his needs can be taken into consideration after that.
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21-01-2012, 04:39 PM | #34 | |||
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I don't know if this is a good comparison, but I'm thinking of one of Jamie Bulger's killers, Jon Venables..who is now back in prison for child pornography. I'm no convinced that children who commit these hideous crimes can be reformed. Their age and the nature of their crimes is an indication of a severely damaged mind. Of course it is sad that any parent could neglect their child's emotional well being to such an extent...but I doubt the damage can ever be undone and this boy is a danger and threat to society. I would rather he were 'hospitilised' than imprisoned, and I think it would take a lot longer than 2 years to even come close to healing him.
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21-01-2012, 04:44 PM | #35 | |||
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Typically he will serve half his sentence, be bailed out, and given a new identity and have a life paid for by the taxpayers because an enployer will not want him.
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21-01-2012, 05:50 PM | #36 | |||
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Cut his c*ck off. Do it with all rapists. Actually... you'd only have to do it to one of them.
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21-01-2012, 05:52 PM | #37 | |||
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Needs to be castrated, dirty wanker.
That poor woman, no one deserves to go through that. And I agree with Lily, the fact it was anally makes it somehow worse. |
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21-01-2012, 06:01 PM | #38 | |||
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Hopefully by the time this little piece of crap is released from prison, enforced chemical castration for all paedophiles and rapists has been brought onto the statute books.
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21-01-2012, 07:04 PM | #39 | ||
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oh fack off
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I'm sorry but there's some utterly barbaric suggestions being thrown about with out any care or thought whatsoever in this thread.
Those who suggest capital punishment, someone to rape him or anything of the like are just as bad as the guy himself and you are lowering yourself to his disgusting actions. Yes, we all know this is a truly revolting crime, and the punishment should be a lot harsher, but why is it that everyone is always so quick to jump up and call out for some of the most oddest, hypocritical punishments possible...it's like some sort of mob. I agree with whoever said he needs to be kept away to protect the public's safety for as long as possible though, these types of issues don't go away overnight. |
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21-01-2012, 09:20 PM | #40 | ||
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"Keeping people away" costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds a year - in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense .....
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21-01-2012, 09:53 PM | #41 | ||
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I'm glad that half the people in this thread ranting about violent punishments will never know a lick of power. If you fight fire with fire everyone ends up getting burned.
The law only works when it's held to a higher standard then the people it's judging, if any of the punishments people reccommended were actually implemented then how would that make us any better then criminals? The only difference between would be a misplaced sense of self righteousness. You can always tell what a person is like by how they treat their lessers, not their equals. Quote:
As I said before, if it as upto me I'd give him a longer sentence but would have made sure he got some sort of psychological care so that he's not a danger to anyone else when he is eventually released. |
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21-01-2012, 10:06 PM | #42 | |||
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Dezzy, I'm a very forgiving person and always try to see good in people and I do think people are entitled to a fair hearing, but are you honestly saying you wouldn't feel vengeance if your own grandma was forcefully buggered by some evil little bastard?
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21-01-2012, 10:14 PM | #43 | |||||
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It would be better spent on the casualties of war ..... Last edited by Omah; 21-01-2012 at 11:18 PM. |
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21-01-2012, 10:19 PM | #44 | ||
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What a vile person, He'll never get better, might aswell get rid of it
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21-01-2012, 10:27 PM | #45 | |||
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i think if he does get help and he is 'cured' of whatever the **** is wrong with him the guilt of what he has done will be unbearable and he will have to live with that for the rest of his life which when you think about it, is punishment enough
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22-01-2012, 02:26 AM | #46 | ||||
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Like I said before it'd be a bigger waste of money to execute them. If you're going to imprison someone it's worth trying to rehabilitate them since it's better to try and fail then not to try at all. Not every Jail sentence is permanent so what's the problem in trying to rehabilitate someone so they aren't a danger to the public when they are released? |
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22-01-2012, 03:44 AM | #47 | ||||
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Ofcouse, you are free to dramatise ..... but the law is ruled by finance - property is more important than people - "it's the rich wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot gets the blame" - robbing banks gets you locked up, but robber bankers grow fat on your cash ..... Quote:
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I'll do some research on the cost of the criminal rehabilitation system in England and establish the actual success/failure rates ..... I have no doubt that the results will be interesting ..... Last edited by Omah; 22-01-2012 at 09:41 AM. |
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22-01-2012, 07:46 AM | #48 | |||
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Yes lots of things Do. But we have No Death Penalty in the UK. You talk like a Terminator Film Script. |
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22-01-2012, 11:58 AM | #49 | |||
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People get angry when they read stuff like this. They get angrier still knowing that there is always a bunch of people hand-wringing and telling us we must be better than the scum that commit crime like this, and implying that they are so much more reasonable than people who want punishments to be harsh and fast. Unfortunately, the person responsible for this terrible crime will be treated with kid gloves and the system will bend over backwards to make sure his human rights are not violated. It's a pity htat the people already worrying about this criminal's treatment don't hold the same sort of high principles when it comes to giving some sympathy to the victim. It's easy to moralise when your life is unaffected by violent, senseless crime.
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22-01-2012, 12:13 PM | #50 | |||
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Quand il pleut, il pleut
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