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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

The whole point of this topic is that people like this exist in society whether we like it or not, if it was acceptable for them to get help then they would be less of a danger to society. I firmly believe that nobody can choose who they are attracted to, but obviously anyone can control their actions. I wouldn't praise a paedophile for keeping their hands off kids because it is common knowledge that children can't give consent. The ones who act on their urges are disgusting abominations who don't deserve any forgiveness or respect.

Take this as an example.

(a) An adult man is attracted to women, does that mean he will abuse a woman?
(b) An adult man is attracted to children, does that mean he will abuse a child?

Imagine (a) goes out and abuses a 25 year old woman, does a few years in prison, deals with all of the repercussions and is able to get out and live the rest of his life after ruining the life of that woman whom he abused.

If (b) goes his whole life avoiding children, only going out at night, not socialising, keeping away from his family members, not having any children of his own, essentially never laying a finger on a child, people in this day and age would think of him as more of a threat to society than (a).

Should it be that hard to control their urges?

For argument's sake let's accept that paedophile's have no control over their attractions, but why should it require that much self control not to carry out what is obviously a disgusting act? If a man sees an attractive woman walking down the street he might feel the urge to sleep with her but that wouldn't mean he has to go to great lengths to stop himself assaulting her. Why would a paedophile's urges be so much more overpowering that he has to lock himself away to stop himself acting on them

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Should it be that hard to control their urges?

For argument's sake let's accept that paedophile's have no control over their attractions, but why should it require that much self control not to carry out what is obviously a disgusting act? If a man sees an attractive woman walking down the street he might feel the urge to sleep with her but that wouldn't mean he has to go to great lengths to stop himself assaulting her. Why would a paedophile's urges be so much more overpowering that he has to lock himself away to stop himself acting on them

I am not saying it has to be like that for all paedophiles, I was just creating a sheltered example for the sake of the thread to make a point, I didn't say every non-offending paedophile locks themselves away.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Should it be that hard to control their urges?

For argument's sake let's accept that paedophile's have no control over their attractions, but why should it require that much self control not to carry out what is obviously a disgusting act? If a man sees an attractive woman walking down the street he might feel the urge to sleep with her but that wouldn't mean he has to go to great lengths to stop himself assaulting her. Why would a paedophile's urges be so much more overpowering that he has to lock himself away to stop himself acting on them

I would imagine the overwhelming majority of people in life will have sexual relations with some one or other at points in their life. Most regularly through relationships. Total self seclusion from any form of sexual contact would be a difficult task and for someone that is exclusively attracted to pre-pubescent children that would mean total seclusion from sex altogether.

If someone told me as a teenager I would never have sex with women ever and i would never be able to I really can't imagine how hard that for me that would be.

As abhorrent as pedophilia is I just can't help feel sympathy for those who are struck by it and spend their entire lives resisting whatever urges befall them.

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Originally Posted by Kyle

I would imagine the overwhelming majority of people in life will have sexual relations with some one or other at points in their life. Most regularly through relationships. Total self seclusion from any form of sexual contact would be a difficult task and for someone that is exclusively attracted to pre-pubescent children that would mean total seclusion from sex altogether.

If someone told me as a teenager I would never have sex with women ever and i would never be able to I really can't imagine how hard that for me that would be.

As abhorrent as pedophilia is I just can't help feel sympathy for those who are struck by it and spend their entire lives resisting whatever urges befall them.

That's true but I still think the act would be so abhorrent that it'd be fairly easy for anyone with a conscience not to act on any urges they have. And though only a tiny minority of people will go through life celibate a lot of people still do it, and those who don't may easily go months, maybe even years without having sex. I don't think it's the knowledge that at some point in the future they will have sex that stops people acting on their urges, it's just that they know there's obviously no justification for doing it without consent

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That's true but I still think the act would be so abhorrent that it'd be fairly easy for anyone with a conscience not to act on any urges they have. And though only a tiny minority of people will go through life celibate a lot of people still do it, and those who don't may easily go months, maybe even years without having sex. I don't think it's the knowledge that at some point in the future they will have sex that stops people acting on their urges, it's just that they know there's obviously no justification for doing it without consent

It's not just about preventing from acting on urges, it's the fact they would feel guilty just by finding a child attractive in the first place. There would be no reason for someone who is attracted to adults to feel guilty.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Jessica‪

It's not just about preventing from acting on urges, it's the fact they would feel guilty just by finding a child attractive in the first place. There would be no reason for someone who is attracted to adults to feel guilty.

Unless they like fancied Dot Cotton or something

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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

It's not just about preventing from acting on urges, it's the fact they would feel guilty just by finding a child attractive in the first place. There would be no reason for someone who is attracted to adults to feel guilty.

Well coming to grips with that guilt is something that can happen when people seek help, which like Livia pointed out is available for those that want it

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well coming to grips with that guilt is something that can happen when people seek help, which like Livia pointed out is available for those that want it

I was giving an example of an extreme self preventative paedophile. You missed my point completely.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jessica‪

I was giving an example of an extreme self preventative paedophile. You missed my point completely.

No I didn't and don't bloody facepalm me

Again this comes back to whether paedophilia is innate or learned. If it's the latter and someone doesn't even try to get help in an attempt to 'unlearn' it well then they should feel guilty. It's better to try and confront your urges rather than try and lock yourself away from them.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That's true but I still think the act would be so abhorrent that it'd be fairly easy for anyone with a conscience not to act on any urges they have. And though only a tiny minority of people will go through life celibate a lot of people still do it, and those who don't may easily go months, maybe even years without having sex. I don't think it's the knowledge that at some point in the future they will have sex that stops people acting on their urges, it's just that they know there's obviously no justification for doing it without consent

I would like to think most people will have that chain of thought in their minds if they ever feel the urge to do something and I'm sure they do.

Still for those that go their entire lives not engaging in sex that people like us take for granted as a typical human luxury because the people they are attracted to are grossly underage, they have my deepest condolences.