[Kizzy]

Have you seen the 1000s of people he has supporting him too... How democratic is this 'ousting'?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

News were saying last night that this coup was 'planned' for next year but the opportunity presented itself now with all the hell on about the vote. This doesn't sound to me like it was anything to do with the Eu vote, more a bunch of MPs plotting behind their leaders backs for some time

I am sure it has been coming for some time but Labour only has 232 MPs,for 172 of them to declare no confidence in their leader is unprecedented and shows more than just a coup here at this time,most of that is genuine dissatisfaction, a fair number of those would have even been supporters of Labour having a far left leader..

Anyway far better to sort it now than leave it until next year,for me anyway.

[Kizzy]

And what is wrong with leaving it to due democratic process? What has he done so wrong... I don't understand the guy is for everything the working people are, if this coup was planned then seemingly it doesn't matter what the guy did, it was a forgone conclusion he was out, this stinks of utter corruption so bad!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am sure it has been coming for sometime but Labour only has 232 MPs,for 172 of them to declare no confidence in their leader is unprecedented and shows more than just a coup here at this time,most of that is genuine dissatisfaction, a fair number of those would have even been supporters of Labour having a far left leader..

Anyway far better to sort it now than leave it until next year,for me anyway.

Yes but it seems that Corbyn and his allies would rather dismiss it all as Blairite plotting or blame the Murdoch press, as if its incomprehensible that he just might not be a very good leader

Look at the people likely to challenge Corbyn - Tom Watson and Angela Eagle. In no world can it be claimed that they have been plotting this for a year - both have served diligently in Corbyn's administration when many others refused and tried their utmost to form a credible opposition. Corbyn didn't even have the decency to return Angela Eagle's call when she tried to get in contact after the referendum and 24 hours later she had still heard nothing from him. That doesn't exactly scream competence or inspire much trust.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you seen the 1000s of people he has supporting him too... How democratic is this 'ousting'?

I agree. I actually feel sorry for Corbyn in this context - the yellow bastards who put power before principles are making him their scapegoat.

In a way, this is linked to what I am saying in my 'Truth' thread - WE are the people of this Country, and WE should be consulted on issues such as this, the fact that these carrion have no 'faith in Corbyn' does not mean that the people have not, and at the end of the day THEY work for US.

This will make me even more unpolular on here, but the simple fact which none of these pricks are willing to admit, is that Corbyn DID NOT lose the referendum for them - the lies and scare tactics of Cameron, Osborne and the Blairites did.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but it seems that Corbyn and his allies would rather dismiss it all as Blairite plotting or blame the Murdoch press, as if its incomprehensible that he just might not be a very good leader

Look at the people likely to challenge Corbyn - Tom Watson and Angela Eagle. In no world can it be claimed that they have been plotting this for a year - both have served diligently in Corbyn's administration when many others refused and tried their utmost to form a credible opposition. Corbyn didn't even have the decency to return Angela Eagle's call when she tried to get in contact after the referendum and 24 hours later she had still heard nothing from him. That doesn't exactly scream competence or inspire much trust.

That is very true,especially as to Watson and Angela Eagle,they have tried to make this work.
However like myself,myself in a much smaller way,they have come across during this EU referendum, voters, (not party workers or members),stating clearly they will not vote for Labour in the areas Labour needs to start to even do just quite a bit better,while Jeremy Corbyn leads the Party.

I found that message endlessly in this referendum campaign, and a Party that only listens to its members and helpers while dismissing the real concerns of 'real' voters, will end up going nowhere at all.

I like the man but I said earlier on other threads, as a member who ran his feet off campaigning to remain in the EU, I felt abandoned by him, and so did those in the Labour Party helping me too.
His silence on issues and then when he did say anything, he opened up more questions than he answered,which left us with negative issues to have to explain as to what he meant by what he had said.

I want Labour strong and able to fight for govt, I have very sadly had to admit now, that will likely never be achievable with Jeremy as leader.

[kirklancaster]

Corbyn earned my respect because he DID make it obvious that he had not abandoned his life-long anti-EU stance, even though he 'went through the motions' in pretending to 'toe the party line'.

As such - HE IS THE ONLY PROMINENT LABOUR POLITICIAN TO STAY TRUE TO HIS SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES - something the Labour Party DID NOT DO in supporting to remain in the EU.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Corbyn earned my respect because he DID make it obvious that he had not abandoned his life-long anti-EU stance, even though he 'went through the motions' in pretending to 'toe the party line'.

As such - HE IS THE ONLY PROMINENT LABOUR POLITICIAN TO STAY TRUE TO HIS SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES - something the Labour Party DID NOT DO in supporting to remain in the EU.

He was very honest in his interviews and I fully believe that he was truthful when he stated he wished to remain, he expanded on that by explaining his logic behind his decision... there was no abandonment and no going through the motions, he just had no wish to see a conservative led brexit.

Who can blame him, look at it! :/

[bitontheslide]

Whether Jeremy was democratically elected or not, he has to be able to work with his colleagues, and direct the best minds in his shadow cabinet. If he can't do that labour will disintegrate. As a tory supporter, that would make me very happy in one sense, but the country needs 2 strong parties, now more than any time in the last 40 years.

The world isn't fair, and I don't understand Jeremy's thought processes now because he is not being logical and thinking things through. If he wants a far left labour party, that is unelectable, then that is where he is heading.

I even heard that he was going to push for those that spoke against him to be deselected from the party. Is that the democracy that he so strongly suggests keeps him in place? Is that the inclusive party that he is supposed to be championing?

Crazy .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Whether Jeremy was democratically elected or not, he has to be able to work with his colleagues, and direct the best minds in his shadow cabinet. If he can't do that labour will disintegrate. As a tory supporter, that would make me very happy in one sense, but the country needs 2 strong parties, now more than any time in the last 40 years.

The world isn't fair, and I don't understand Jeremy's thought processes now because he is not being logical and thinking things through. If he wants a far left labour party, that is unelectable, then that is where he is heading.

I even heard that he was going to push for those that spoke against him to be deselected from the party. Is that the democracy that he so strongly suggests keeps him in place? Is that the inclusive party that he is supposed to be championing?

Crazy .....

NEW Labour will disintegrate yes, you can't just say 'we need 2 parties because numbers'...that in itself is illogical.

Nobody has been deselected as yet and I agree that would be wrong however I personally think that at this time those creating discord should be held accountable.

[billy123]

This purge is long overdue if Corbyn is guilty of anything it is of not ridding Labour of these self serving middle right parasites that have infected Labour and made them unelectable.
He should have done it sooner but it seems they are doing it for him.
Get rid of them and return Labour to the working class people of Britain.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This purge is long overdue if Corbyn is guilty of anything it is of not ridding Labour of these self serving middle right parasites that have infected Labour and made them unelectable.
He should have done it sooner but it seems they are doing it for him.
Get rid of them and return Labour to the working class people of Britain.

Whatever your political stance, those are elected mp's of his party, and if he can't work with them, he cant be their leader.

The problem that i see is that Jeremy would end up with 40 mp's in parliament if the party was to be purged of those that disagree with Jeremy. Does that then mean that from this point forward, the party will only accept candidates that align identically to him - yes men, basically. I don't see how that could possibly be of benefit to the nation or the party, and I don't see it as a government winning formula either.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Whatever your political stance, those are elected mp's of his party, and if he can't work with them, he cant be their leader.

The problem that i see is that Jeremy would end up with 40 mp's in parliament if the party was to be purged of those that disagree with Jeremy. Does that then mean that from this point forward, the party will only accept candidates that align identically to him - yes men, basically. I don't see how that could possibly be of benefit to the nation or the party, and I don't see it as a government winning formula either.

He can, and he will... the vote of no confidece is not binding and means nothing they will carry on doing the job they were elected to do as Corbyn will.

The party is not being purged of anyone, that was not ever a suggestion with any basis in truth other than a supportive tweet on how to handle the MPs who have chosen this action.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Unfortunately, and it really is unforunate beacuse I supported him in the beginning, I don't think Jeremy is what the country needs right now. I think we need strong leadership and I don't care all that much if the next PM is a Blairite or a 'Tory-lite', but I don't think JC has proven himself to be the leader the country needs. I've joined the party and will probably vote for his opponent in the leadership election.

[Kizzy]

I won't, if Corbyn steps down for a blairite I'm voting green.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He can, and he will... the vote of no confidece is not binding and means nothing they will carry on doing the job they were elected to do as Corbyn will.

The party is not being purged of anyone, that was not ever a suggestion with any basis in truth other than a supportive tweet on how to handle the MPs who have chosen this action.

But is it 45 that have resigned now? You can't possibly be suggesting that shows he is a good leader

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Whether Jeremy was democratically elected or not, he has to be able to work with his colleagues, and direct the best minds in his shadow cabinet. If he can't do that labour will disintegrate. As a tory supporter, that would make me very happy in one sense, but the country needs 2 strong parties, now more than any time in the last 40 years.

The world isn't fair, and I don't understand Jeremy's thought processes now because he is not being logical and thinking things through. If he wants a far left labour party, that is unelectable, then that is where he is heading.

I even heard that he was going to push for those that spoke against him to be deselected from the party. Is that the democracy that he so strongly suggests keeps him in place? Is that the inclusive party that he is supposed to be championing?

Crazy .....

But he will double up his staff
meaning 2 jobs


Its not Crazy


Its Pure Democracy
Grass Support Etc


This Master Plan of New Labour
had been Planned for Months
Ref : BBC2HD Newsnight

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I won't, if Corbyn steps down for a blairite I'm voting green.

Then all we in the UK will get from that Kizzy, if others follow your lead there, is a Conservative govt with a massive majority.

The Greens can never break through now, even less so now the UK is coming out of the EU, where they got listened to more than in the UK.
UKIP could do really well as to your switching of votes to the Greens however too.

No way will I now risk the loss of the Labour Party to British politics.

[arista]

Corbyn - Labour

others
SNP (to face Conservatives)
New Labour
Lib Dem
1 Green MP

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This purge is long overdue if Corbyn is guilty of anything it is of not ridding Labour of these self serving middle right parasites that have infected Labour and made them unelectable.
He should have done it sooner but it seems they are doing it for him.
Get rid of them and return Labour to the working class people of Britain.

Great post Bob. I have not supported Labour since I was duped by that traitor Blair, but I do believe that a 'Labour' Party SHOULD represent the working classes of Great Britain - something which they have NOT for decades.

[arista]

This bitch of a MP

Spoiler:

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/...fb073838e4.png

Jess Phillips has F. F. F. at Corbyns face

Ref: Media / DM


Corbyn is staying

[letmein]

Never forget.

A blind eye to child abuse: Whistleblowers warned Labour leadership favourite Jeremy Corbyn of paedophiles preying on children on his doorstep - but claim he did NOTHING

Social workers warned Corbyn that child abuse was rife in his Islington constituency in 1992

‘We'd been seeing so many 12 to 15-year-olds who were being sexually exploited, we could hardly believe it,’ Liz Davies, one of the five social workers, recalled this week

Corbyn never wrote to Davies, or telephoned, to acknowledge their meeting, or thank her for seeking to blow the whistle


In 1992, social workers told Jeremy Corbyn (pictured that year) that organised child abuse was rife in his Islington constituency

At his constituency office in North London, the Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn sits down to a pre-arranged meeting with five very anxious social workers.
His visitors on that day in 1992 include four current or recent employees of Islington Council, the London borough where Corbyn’s constituency is situated. Their jobs are to safeguard some of its poorest and most vulnerable children.

To that end, they want to share some deeply troubling news with the local MP. For some time, the social workers tell Corbyn, a near-constant stream of drugged, hungry, distressed and often tearful young people have been turning up at their offices each day and exhibiting tell-tale signs of sexual abuse.

Many are residents of Islington Council’s children’s homes, where they seem to have been raped and assaulted by staff and visitors.

Some spend time at a flat nearby called ‘The Hot House’, which appears to be operating as a child brothel. A few also exhibit signs of being trafficked around London, the Home Counties and even abroad by organised paedophile networks.

The social workers tell Corbyn that they have recently come to the conclusion that organised child abuse is occurring across Islington on an alarming scale.

‘We had been seeing so, so many 12 to 15-year-olds who were being sexually exploited that we could hardly believe it,’ Liz Davies, one of the five social workers, recalled this week.

‘These children would be queuing up outside our offices at 9am for help. Most of them had obviously been out all night. We discovered that they were being driven around the country in vans.

‘I’d personally identified at least 61 potential abuse victims in our small patch of Islington.’

The scale of the problem suggested to Davies and her colleagues that paedophile gangs were targeting young people, on a nightly basis, across the borough.



Demetrious Panton (left), a survivor of abuse, told Corbyn (right) in August 1992 that ‘very bad things had happened’ to him when he’d been living at an Islington care home several years earlier

Things were at their worst in children’s homes, she informed Corbyn, where even known sex-abusers, and convicted child pornographers seemed able to commit crimes with impunity, sometimes staying overnight, with the apparent consent of council employees.

‘For a time, I had been putting vulnerable children into Islington’s homes to be safe,’ she says. ‘It took me a while to realise that was the worst possible place, because they were being abused there, too.’

So bad was the apparent problem that, earlier that year, Davies and a fellow social worker called David Cofie had attempted to blow the whistle to Margaret Hodge, the then leader of Islington Council who went on to become a prominent Labour MP. To their dismay, however, Hodge ignored the duo’s concerns.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4CxdyAJLQ

[Wizard.]

This is why I am considering a career in politics, if I were to become an MP there's no way would I ignore child abuse in my area - it would be a top priority to ensure child safety and that sex traffickers and peodophiles were prosecuted.

[Kizzy]

The hounding is real...
David Cameron has called on Jeremy Corbyn to step down as leader of the Labour party.

The Prime Minister made the call at Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday.

"I have to say to the honorable gentleman, frankly he talks about job insecurity and my two months to go," the PM said in response to a question about job insecurity.

"It might be in my party’s interest for him to sit there – he’s not in the national interest. I would say: for heaven’s sake, man, go!"

MPs of all parties were uncharacteristically quiet during the PMQs session, the first since the EU referendum.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7108956.html

[arista]

Corbyn is Staying