[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I am but I'm going off evidence to support my view. The vast majority of Londoners voted to stay in the EU which would suggest they don't think immigration is a huge problem

er hello the EU referendum was about us staying in the EU it was not a vote on immigration despite what our left of central friends would like to have thought it was about

and i guess that the fact that you thought it was rather suggests that I am right

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

er the BBC

Me caring the BBC made it. the "documentary" was a biased piece of shįt

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

er hello the EU referendum was about us staying in the EU it was not a vote on immigration despite what our left of central friends would like to have thought it was about

and i guess that the fact that you thought it was rather suggests that I am right

It was sold on immigration...you know that and I know that, whatever you say to attempt to dress it up as something else we both know that was the crux.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was sold on immigration...you know that and I know that, whatever you say to attempt to dress it up as something else we both know that was the crux.

incorrect it was sold on us taking back control of law, trade and our borders. Im sorry that all you read was the New Statesman it seems

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Me caring the BBC made it. the "documentary" was a biased piece of shįt

ok so now we know where you are coming from..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Me caring the BBC made it. the "documentary" was a biased piece of shįt

Are you suggesting our wonderful media is biased?....

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you suggesting our wonderful media is biased?....

well to suggest the BBC is right wing

now THAT must be a TIBB first?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect it was sold on us taking back control of law, trade and our borders. Im sorry that all you read was the New Statesman it seems

It was in large part sold on immigration and if it hadn't been, if it had been sold on "control of law and trade", the vote wouldn't have swung that way.



I'm sure not everyone voted based on that, but a large enough proportion to account for far more than the small %age swing, certainly. But then, you know that, this is is another example of you pretending to be ignorant when the obvious doesn't suit the point that you're trying to make.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well to suggest the BBC is right wing

now THAT must be a TIBB first?

No ones saying the BBC as a whole is. But that particular documentary was biased and misleading

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect it was sold on us taking back control of law, trade and our borders. Im sorry that all you read was the New Statesman it seems

Isn't this the same thing?... :/ the new statesman copypasta was all the brexiteers posted wasn't it?

'Taking back control'... got to love Paul McKenna he's VERY good isn't he?

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Latest news seems to be that this was a lone teenager, westernised, raised mainly in Germany, with a history of mental health problems and no links at all to ISIS or any other terrorist group.

"Multiculturalism gone wrong", indeed. Seems to be the latest buzz phrase to legitimise quite blatant xenophobia. Oh boo Hoo boo Hoo people don't like it when I use that word!!

Well... Sozzles guyz... Bleating things like "multiculturalism gone wrong", "multiculturalism has failed" is the VERY definition of xenophobia. It's just hiding behind a fancier, trendy way of saying "foreigners go home!".

And then latching onto every incident to back up that thinking LONG before the full facts have come to light. But of course, from the very same who are mocking and sneering at others for passing comment before "all of the facts are known".

Once again - it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and deeply disturbing. It seems like more and more people are swayed to this arse-backwards way of thinking every day.

Couldn't agree with you more TS.

[Shaun]

Is it true all of the victims were singled out for looking middle-eastern as well?

Saw something about him being obsessed with that Breivik guy from Norway.

[Jack_]

So is this not terrorism now? Or is it cause he's brown? What's the main factor in defining it, being a Muslim or brown?!?!

Cause Jo Cox's murderer wasn't a terrorist even though he was. Be interesting to see the narrative won't it

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jack_

So is this not terrorism now? Or is it cause he's brown? What's the main factor in defining it, being a Muslim or brown?!?!

Cause Jo Cox's murderer wasn't a terrorist even though he was. Be interesting to see the narrative won't it

It's more to do with the victims I think... it's still technically classed as terrorism but it's that other "meh, whatever then" terrorism that happens when the victims aren't wEuropean or American (Canadian, Australian, etc.).

You know, like when schools get massacred in the Middle East and people say "Aw shame did you see EastEnders last night?" "That" sort of terrorism.

[Alf]

Multiculturalism hasn't failed, It's Islam that's failed.

There's no problem with Sikhs, Jews, The Irish or anyone else, the problem is Islam.

And that's been brought about by political correctness, instead of encouraging them to be British and feel proud to be British and class themselves as British, we've told them that their culture is equal to ours, which is just so not true, the reason they come here in the first place is to get away from that barbaric culture.

Political Correctness is killing The West, and we need some leadership to stop this, although I fear it may be too late to sort it out peacefully.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Alf

Multiculturalism hasn't failed, It's Islam that's failed.

There's no problem with Sikhs, Jews, The Irish or anyone else, the problem is Islam.

And that's been brought about by political correctness, instead of encouraging them to be British and feel proud to be British and class themselves as British, we've told them that their culture is equal to ours, which is just so not true, the reason they come here in the first place is to get away from that barbaric culture.

Political Correctness is killing The West, and we need some leadership to stop this, although I fear it may be too late to sort it out peacefully.

Yep, tolerating this ridiculous superstition is one of the root causes

[Toy Soldier]

Thread has been dead since the story changed.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Doesn't matter how much proof there is, if a signed confession comes to light written by the boy himself outlining exactly why he did it, and it has nothing to do with "a failure of multiculturalism" (and can't be twisted as such), the people who have already decided and stated their opinions on the causes of this attack and what it "means for the world" will most likely simply never post about it again.

Called it before it happened.

Where are all of those passionate voices now? Not one to be seen, because it can no longer be claimed as a "win" for those who want the world divided along cultural borders, and are they here to say "oh it seems like we were wrong about this shooting and it doesn't signal what we thought at all"? Nope. Thread abandonned, forget it ever happened, jump back on the train next time there's an attack and hope the attacker's profile is right then.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yep, tolerating this ridiculous superstition is one of the root causes

France is one of the most secular, heavily non-religious (often anti-religious) places in the world and has very low tolerance for religion compared to other countries in western Europe. It also has the highest incidence of home-grown terrorism.

I personally am anti-religious at my very core when it comes down to it but on this one you are just straight up wrong.

Higher standards of real education and knowledge, if we can ever achieve those, would gradually erode the grip of superstition over the generations (this has already started in Britain, IMO) but intolerance will do nothing but generate backlash. Intolerance IS one of the root causes.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thread has been dead since the story changed.

Called it before it happened.

Where are all of those passionate voices now? Not one to be seen, because it can no longer be claimed as a "win" for those who want the world divided along cultural borders, and are they here to say "oh it seems like we were wrong about this shooting and it doesn't signal what we thought at all"? Nope. Thread abandonned, forget it ever happened, jump back on the train next time there's an attack and hope the attacker's profile is right then.

What's the point? You've already got all the answers, right? You're so brilliant TS, you're never wrong. We should just close serious debates and defer to you everytime there's something to discuss so we can see what we're all supposed to think.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

What's the point? You've already got all the answers, right? You're so brilliant TS, you're never wrong. We should just close serious debates and defer to you everytime there's something to discuss so we can see what we're all supposed to think.

Or we could all start getting sarcastic and snippy as soon as we have nothing left to back up our dubious prejudices? That would vastly improve things.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's more to do with the victims I think... it's still technically classed as terrorism but it's that other "meh, whatever then" terrorism that happens when the victims aren't wEuropean or American (Canadian, Australian, etc.).

You know, like when schools get massacred in the Middle East and people say "Aw shame did you see EastEnders last night?" "That" sort of terrorism.

Judging by the number of responses to the Kabul thread it would seem you're right

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thread has been dead since the story changed.

Called it before it happened.

Where are all of those passionate voices now? Not one to be seen, because it can no longer be claimed as a "win" for those who want the world divided along cultural borders, and are they here to say "oh it seems like we were wrong about this shooting and it doesn't signal what we thought at all"? Nope. Thread abandonned, forget it ever happened, jump back on the train next time there's an attack and hope the attacker's profile is right then.

This is so true. It was the same with the Jo Cox murder, as soon as it emerged the perpetrator was a white man who had far-right political leanings, it was no longer about terrorism and clamping down on a poisonous ideology, more 'oh he was just a gardener that was a bit of a loner and had mental health issues ' and the discussion was over

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Or we could all start getting sarcastic and snippy as soon as we have nothing left to back up our dubious prejudices? That would vastly improve things.

I apologise TS, I should have realised that you have the monopoly on sarcastic and snippy.

If only we could all be like you, void of dubious prejudice.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

I apologise TS, I should have realised that you have the monopoly on sarcastic and snippy.

If only we could all be like you, void of dubious prejudice.

I was being ironic with my sarcasm; it's meta.

And while I do wish people could be more like me it is unfortunately not advisable. There is only one TS and multiple TS's in one place is a living nightmare... I've tried it... We ended up disagreeing with each other and an entire forum imploded. You can't even find a Google Cache of it any more, it was erased from existence.

So you will just have to content yourself with one, perfect, original TS

[Kizzy]

I do snippy well I've been told, usually when calling out prejudices too strangely, can I be a TS please?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

France is one of the most secular, heavily non-religious (often anti-religious) places in the world and has very low tolerance for religion compared to other countries in western Europe. It also has the highest incidence of home-grown terrorism.

I personally am anti-religious at my very core when it comes down to it but on this one you are just straight up wrong.

Higher standards of real education and knowledge, if we can ever achieve those, would gradually erode the grip of superstition over the generations (this has already started in Britain, IMO) but intolerance will do nothing but generate backlash. Intolerance IS one of the root causes.

Well Nice has its fair share of immigrants in ghettos, a lot of islam is practised and there are mosques. The Nice killer was targeted and radicalised very quickly. Marseilles has 30-40% Muslim population.

The French themselves may be secular but their immigrant population sure are not