[alex_front2]

Marnie came out as bi to a great deal of media hype and fanfare, she even scored a cover of a lesbian mag Diva (Marnie became "famous" during the last days of lads mags and even she didn't get to be on their covers), so she gets all the publicity of saying she's bi ala Drew Barrymore and the others I've listed in this thread and surprise surprise she's now back on the coŁk diet

http://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz...her-sexuality/

Women don't satisfy her like men, spoken like a straight lass. Well done Marnie great publicity coup from all the media bi coming out hype. A few more drunken snkgs with girls and she might cement her place as a TV reality fixture. I suspect she will not be bothering any vaginas ever again

Forgot to add to the bi now gay later list of men:
Duncan James from Boyband Blue came out as bi in a blaze of glory, -telling the world how hot and sexy men were and how sweet women were (not hot, not sexy, but sweet , bless).

Frank Ocean came out as bi during Channel Orange era a few years back but is now quietly out as gay.

George Shelly ex Union J originally hinted he was bisexual but has now playing the don't label me card and become more coy and has been linked with a string of men. Got a feeling in 5years time there will still be no female partners on the scene. Just a hunch.

Olie Locke from Made In Chelsea came out bi about 2 years ago, everyone laughed at his supposed interest in women, he got very indignant when everyone shrugged and said he was actually gay. Women weren't interested. Fast forward 2 years, I think we all know what happened next.

This is where I differ from Biggins, whereas he sees bisexuals as being gays not fully out I see bisexuals as being g people into men but claiming to like women for nefarious reasons but as reasons womens reasons different to men.

[VanessaFeltz.]

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by MelihV

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

Personally I dont think there's any need to shout about whatever it is you prefer in the bedroom.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

you are right about celebs but their behaviour tells more about them rather than biseuxality in general

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by MelihV

yeah celebrities and their fame hunger represent every single bi person

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment a mistake and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys but saying ginger Josh who works in accounts who is now out as gay would be unknown to all here.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard.

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away Dan Pontifex. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it in wave of media hype but is back with a man, long term married to Erik Anders.

Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you muchmu certainly not to marry or long term ,

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by MelihV

you are right about celebs but their behaviour tells more about them rather than biseuxality in general

Agree.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard.

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it but is back with a man, long term.


Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you much.

Actually, I would probably say Sam Fox is a genuine bisexual.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Or maybe rather than throwing insults at Jessie J et al, you can accept their bisexuality was a phase, an experiment and now they are solidly on the man train.

I could list people I know who claimed bisexuality and sincerely meant it but are now totally into guys.

Some more bi females solidly on the man train :

Amanda Palmer Dresden dolls singer. Banged on and on and on about being queer, anti conformist, a sexual rebel. Guess what she's now married to Neil Gaiman. A woman married to a man, how avant guard.

Sia likes to play the bi card but was in a long term relationship with a male partner who passed away. Briefly kissed a girl sort of liked it but is back with a man, long term.


Poor women, these bi types don't really seem to like you much.

it really doesnt matter how many people you know that used bi as a phrase if there is one person truly likes both genders then bisexuality is real.

i am not bisexual but i know the pain so when they speak about it i believe that because of the mutual experimence

[Headie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

HIS opinion ,and no one has the right to tell him he's wrong

So I suppose Winston McKenzie shouldn't have been criticised for saying that gay marriage is child abuse because it's his opinion?

[Withano]

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

Post of the thread. Nothing else to say... move along now.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Of course they don't. But there is a certain perception amongst certain fame-*****s that a bit of supposed bisexuality might make them appear a little more wild and therefore interesting.

Of course there are genuine bisexuals, as there is every shade on the sexuality scale. But the bi-celebs mostly fall into the experimental / fame-hungry, titillation variety imo.

Personally I dont think there's any need to shout about whatever it is you prefer in the bedroom.

[puzzled]

I don't know how non-bi people have the gall to tell people who are bi that they aren't. Biggins really should know better. After all, he lived in an era when people denied that people were born gay, but they chose to be gay. I'm older than Biggins, so I don't give him a pass.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why do people think its fine for others to be incorrect because its their opinion?
Having an opinion which opposes common knowledge just makes you an idiot
You clearly havent researched it because if you did, you wouldnt have that "opinion"

If it was my opinion that penguins dont exist, that would just make me an idiot. I'd argue that I've never seen one even though its snowed loads of times in England but that wouldnt make my opinion any less stupid. Some things require an education, not an opinion. Bisexuality is one of them.

Exactly, no one can argue against this

[MB.]

Well, here comes The Guardian

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by puzzled

I don't know how non-bi people have the gall to tell people who are bi that they aren't. Biggins really should know better. After all, he lived in an era when people denied that people were born gay, but they chose to be gay. I'm older than Biggins, so I don't give him a pass.

i wish every parent would be as wise as you we would have an amazing generation

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Hayden

So I suppose Winston McKenzie shouldn't have been criticised for saying that gay marriage is child abuse because it's his opinion?

What Winston said isn't true but it's his belief ....if he was against gay people or attacking them it would be wrong but he was only expressing his beliefs....like millions of other idiots he believes what the bible teaches and therefore that is his faith...he lives by the bible so believes it is a sin to be gay and a sin to have sex outside of marriage ....personally I would be happy to see every church burned to the ground but I respect that is his faith and he has to follow it.
I don't agree with women being second class and being made to live behind burkas but I have to respect that is the faith of some religions and therefore it's their truth. Winstons harsh delivery of his beliefs was expressed completely wrong which makes him a dip sh-t IMO but his choice to live by the bible is his right. I am gay but I choose to see it from his perspective and I understand it. Do I agree ? no, I don't but I understand his reasons.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Iv not checked but any actual evidence in this thread to say he is wrong specifically or is it all just standard guesswork based on prejudice?

[hot2go]

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say, he is also from an era where it wasn't discussed, certainly from an era where porn wasn't all over the internet and "lesbianism" wasn't something for guys to drool over. I do feel that in SOME cases bisexuality is used as a byword for experimentation, and also that an audience wants to see someone swinging both ways, though admittedly, again, that is for the girl on girl.

I also feel that exposure hasn't necessarily been a bad thing in that it has shown an acceptance of those that are bisexual...and I feel that the genuine bisexuals are those like Sam Fox who openly say that they fall in love with a person, not a gender.

Yes, experiment, why not? But unless you can see yourself in a long lasting, loving relationship with a member of either sex, without really minding which, please do not rush to label yourself as bisexual for the cool factor, when it's just experimentation, because it clouds the issue even more.

This from me, who doesn't think it's anyone else's business, let alone a topic for the media, what you like to do.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

Biggins isn't some shut-away old man so being 67 isn't an excuse. He's taken part in enough Pride and LGBT events to be aware of Bisexuality and the modern world around him, and to adapt his views just like many other people from his era have, but he's obviously chosen not to. If he's going to chose to be prejudiced and ignorant then he's open to being criticised for it imo.

[lewis111]

You can't allow people to insult a huge group of people then just be like "aww it's jut cause he's old he doesn't understand" We need to stop accepting homophobia and biphobia(apparently that's the word) in a way we don't with racism etc You wouldn't blame age on that if something was said

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by lewis111

You can't allow people to insult a huge group of people then just be like "aww it's jut cause he's old he doesn't understand" We need to stop accepting homophobia and biphobia(apparently that's the word) in a way we don't with racism etc You wouldn't blame age on that if something was said

[hot2go]

When that bitch Thatcher made gay a dirty word, when she banned the mention of it in schools, when she introduced clause 28, when her and Raegans propaganda turned the world against the gay community just at the point they needed to be loved the most, when the US government and their multi nationals made billions of dollars using AIDS victims as Guinea pigs it was gay men and women who stood up and were counted....they were the brave ones...most of the bisexual men acted like cowards and left the rest of us to it.....the world has moved on to a better place now and Biggins hasn't moved on with it but I can understand his perspective....he prob has very few good personal experiences of bisexual men and therefore very poor opinions of them. I don't like the guy, never have, but I can understand why he holds his views about it. It's easy for young people to say there is no excuse when they haven't lived through the nightmare of those times.

[caprimint]

Yeah I can't get down with the whole 'age' thing. The amount of years you've lived for is absolutely no excuse. It all comes down to how ignorant the person is at the end of the day.