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21-12-2016, 06:04 PM | #1 | |||
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A Tory MP, David Davies took the (Tory) UK government to the European Court of Justice. He won, Teresa May lost and her 'snooper's charter' looks fatally damaged!
Looks like our intrusive surveillance laws will have to be changed and in a big way! Oh dear! The article is worth a read from the irony POV too - David Davies is the Brexit Secretary! You really could not make this up An extract: “This is the first serious post-referendum test for our Government’s commitment to protecting human rights and the rule of law. The UK may have voted to leave the EU – but we didn’t vote to abandon our rights and freedoms.” Watson said the ruling showed it was “counter-productive to rush new laws through Parliament without proper scrutiny. Oooops! I wonder how long Davies will retail his job?
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21-12-2016, 06:14 PM | #2 | |||
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And this is exactly why being in the EU is a good thing, someone to hold our government to account.
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21-12-2016, 06:19 PM | #3 | ||
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21-12-2016, 07:12 PM | #4 | ||
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21-12-2016, 07:13 PM | #5 | |||
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And if Germany had better surveillance they might have their man by now. There is a place for it in an increasingly dangerous world.
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21-12-2016, 07:43 PM | #6 | |||
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Oh yes, that's what we need. A foreign, unelected court to impose their laws on our country. And I would remind everyone that our surveillance laws have done a pretty good job up till now.
David Davis brought the case before he became Brexit minister. I see a little conflict of interest there... |
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21-12-2016, 11:45 PM | #7 | ||
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Hooray! I've done it! I've solved crime! Now we need to hurry up and get out of the EU so that their pesky human rights shenanimawotzits can't get in the way of my plan. |
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21-12-2016, 11:46 PM | #8 | |||
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...so why introduce any new ones when those we already have in place work perfectly fine?
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22-12-2016, 12:04 AM | #9 | |||
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22-12-2016, 12:06 AM | #10 | |||
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22-12-2016, 12:17 AM | #11 | |||
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Now you're just being silly.
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22-12-2016, 12:21 AM | #12 | ||
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22-12-2016, 07:58 AM | #13 | |||
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They aren’t only tracking and monitoring our text and email messages, web browsing history; travel and financial transactions (buying habits). They are monitoring which of us use public services, our work records and even our health records. Our every move can now be monitored from cradle to grave. Our suspicious government monitor us more than we monitor our own young children….” All in the name of terror”
Excessive surveillance will only foster a climate of suspicion. Suspicion that we are owned by the big guys and could face social exclusion and discrimination if we dare to stand up against a system that is rapidly controlling our every move. Look towards North Koreans and the fear caused by mass surveillance. There is nothing democratic about what our government are up to.
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22-12-2016, 08:53 AM | #14 | |||
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22-12-2016, 08:54 AM | #15 | |||
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Serious Debates, TS. The clue's in the words.
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22-12-2016, 08:58 AM | #16 | |||
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Secondly... North Korea? LOL... I feel VERY safe. I know that my best interests are being served by our Security Services. If you don't... well, you live in France a lot of the time, didn't you say? I'm sure you feel more secure there without quite so much surveillance, but with the random terror attacks. Last edited by Livia; 22-12-2016 at 08:59 AM. |
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22-12-2016, 09:14 AM | #17 | |||
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I highly doubt the government is gonna waste money intimately watching everything that every citizen does.. I can't see them using these tools unless they have a reason to suspect a person...
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22-12-2016, 09:55 AM | #18 | ||
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It is entirely serious.
Keeping everyone in cages (or OK, let's say a comfortable cell) permanently would stop ALL crime. We all, I assume, agree that this is going too far. Therefore we have established that there *is* a line that we are not prepared to cross when it comes to giving up freedom for safety. So where is that line? |
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22-12-2016, 10:58 AM | #19 | ||
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I think our security services do an amazing job.They have stopped numerous terror attempts in this country.It is actually quite unbelievable that they have managed to prevent the amount they have and we haven't had a major incident since 7/7.
It is true also that technology is playing a major role in the planning of these attacks and attempts. Our security services do need to be able to gain access to the tech to gather intelligence. However i think there is a line where it becomes too intrusive.I'm all for the cameras in populated areas as they help identify even everyday crims aswell as terrorists.Look at Germany arresting the wrong person after truck attack for instance. I think having the legal authority to hack into anybodies phone or e-mails is the step too far.I agree with the statement in the article that police and government shouldn't just have the power to do that at will(even if they won't) and only judges be able to permit that kind of surveillance. |
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22-12-2016, 11:26 AM | #20 | |||
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The guy in charge of moving the Uk out of the Eu just asked the EU to block a UK law?.. Did I read that right? Thats hilarious.
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22-12-2016, 11:33 AM | #21 | |||
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Like it wont be reversed in the next 2 years
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22-12-2016, 07:06 PM | #22 | ||
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2 years longer for people to learn how to protect themselves online at least. Because it is possible to be anonymous. And of course, criminals already know that, which is why it's utter BS that it's "for our protection", because the really dangerous people aren't operating in the open web in the first place to be logged or monitored.
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23-12-2016, 08:30 AM | #23 | |||
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23-12-2016, 10:19 AM | #25 | |||
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exactly though
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