[Greg!]

Originally Posted by jaxie

An ally, what can Scotland do for the EU? Defend the borders of the EU against Russia? There won't be a military, you already overspent and don't have money for that or anything else. So apart from expecting the EU to keep you, what is in it for them? Why do they need an extra country who would be sponging off them rather than paying in to them? I'm not seeing your logic here on Scotland's attractiveness to the EU.

I don't think a requirement of the EU is going to war with Russia but whatever tickes your pickle I guess, that's your opinion. And why wouldn't Scotland have an army?? Of course they would. No country "sponges" off the EU, you have to pay into it to get the benefits of it.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I don't think a requirement of the EU is going to war with Russia but whatever tickes your pickle I guess, that's your opinion. And why wouldn't Scotland have an army?? Of course they would. No country "sponges" off the EU, you have to pay into it to get the benefits of it.

Actually there is only a British army not a Scottish one.

70% of countries pay nothing into the EU because they have no money

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Actually there is only a British army not a Scottish one.

70% of countries pay nothing into the EU because they have no money

... and the Scottish regiments would become a part of a Scottish army....... pretty basic stuff

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I don't think a requirement of the EU is going to war with Russia but whatever tickes your pickle I guess, that's your opinion. And why wouldn't Scotland have an army?? Of course they would. No country "sponges" off the EU, you have to pay into it to get the benefits of it.

That isn't what I said. What I said was what can you offer the EU, defence being one suggestion.

So how do you pay into the EU? All money from the UK has stopped. What money is this you are paying in? Where does it come from? And how do you do that and sustain your current level of welfare?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

... and the Scottish regiments would become a part of a Scottish army

You cant just take the Scottish people and make an army it doesnt work like that

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

... and the Scottish regiments would become a part of a Scottish army....... pretty basic stuff

Pretty basic fantasy.

You clearly don't really have a clue about how Scotland would survive financially or what they could bring to the table and what really concerns me that people like you caught up in some need for a romantacised version of freedom you've been spoon fed by the SNP will vote for it and to the very great detriment of the people of Scotland if you succeed. If you are going to do it, at least learn your facts first because it's a huge decision you can't take back. When I voted to leave the EU, I knew what I was voting for and why. For the sake of my Ferguson great grannie, I urge you to know what you are voting for before you do it.

Taxation won't give you the luxurious welfare state you enjoy now so that will have to change, you can't it all ways. It would be interesting to see just how popular the dear old SNP are 5 years after Scotland leaving the UK.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That isn't what I said. What I said was what can you offer the EU, defence being one suggestion.

So how do you pay into the EU? All money from the UK has stopped. What money is this you are paying in? Where does it come from? And how do you do that and sustain your current level of welfare?

Scotland gets a disproportionate amount of money from the UK compared to the amount of tax we pay. We'd get money the way every other independent country on earth gets money, thorough taxation, trade etc. not that difficult to comprehend

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Scotland gets a disproportionate amount of money from the UK compared to the amount of tax we pay. We'd get money the way every other independent country on earth gets money, thorough taxation, trade etc. not that difficult to comprehend

Scotland does way more trade with the UK then any other country so you will loose a lot of trade when you are told to join the back of the queue

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Scotland does way more trade with the UK then any other country so you will loose a lot of trade when you are told to join the back of the queue

Join the back of the queue even though England does most of its trade with Scotland which is incidentally its closest neighbour. If you genuinely believe that I'll leave you to it.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Join the back of the queue even though England does most of its trade with Scotland which is incidentally its closest neighbour. If you genuinely believe that I'll leave you to it.

The UK will go elsewhere and not to the country that stabbed them in the back

[Greg!]

Sure

[Denver]

The UK will have the money to go elsewhere Scotland wont

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Scotland gets a disproportionate amount of money from the UK compared to the amount of tax we pay. We'd get money the way every other independent country on earth gets money, thorough taxation, trade etc. not that difficult to comprehend

Oh I forgot! We'd also save hundreds of billions by not paying for trident nuclear weapons

[Denver]

Nuclear weapons are important though.

When Scotland get attacked they will have nobody

[Greg!]

So important that almost every country in the world don't have any

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Nuclear weapons are important though.

When Scotland get attacked they will have nobody

Scotland will have the EU surely, who I am sure would make a lot of sympathetic noises if that ever happened.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

So important that almost every country in the world don't have any

You kind of have to look at who does have them though.

[Greg!]

Ok Jaxie, you got me there. We'll be nuked

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

So important that almost every country in the world don't have any

Some countries are not allowed them

Poor countries can not afford them]

Major countries have them and they will be vital when we get a nuclear war

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Ok Jaxie, you got me there. We'll be nuked

Probably unlikely since we are joined at the hip. But there is a case for a nuclear deterrent.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Pretty basic fantasy.

You clearly don't really have a clue about how Scotland would survive financially or what they could bring to the table and what really concerns me that people like you caught up in some need for a romantacised version of freedom you've been spoon fed by the SNP will vote for it and to the very great detriment of the people of Scotland if you succeed. If you are going to do it, at least learn your facts first because it's a huge decision you can't take back. When I voted to leave the EU, I knew what I was voting for and why. For the sake of my Ferguson great grannie, I urge you to know what you are voting for before you do it.

Taxation won't give you the luxurious welfare state you enjoy now so that will have to change, you can't it all ways. It would be interesting to see just how popular the dear old SNP are 5 years after Scotland leaving the UK.

No offence, but I'll vote for what I think is best for my country and it's future, not to please your great granny.
Quite rich for you to tell me to "learn facts" when I have told you various facts about the EU and scotlands entry into it which you clearly didn't know before.
I didn't agree with Brexit but I would never insult the intelligence of someone who voted for it or claim they didn't know what they were voting for, they clearly thought hard about it and considered what the consequences would be.

[Tom4784]

Nukes aren't for defense, they're a tool for mutually assured destruction.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Some countries are not allowed them

Poor countries can not afford them]

Major countries have them and they will be vital when we get a nuclear war

It wouldn't matter who was nukes or not, if a 'nuclear war' were to happen then we'd all be dead by the end of it.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It wouldn't matter who was nukes or not, if a 'nuclear war' were to happen then we'd all be dead by the end of it.

Not necessarily because only a few countries will attack with one and they will most likely only have time to attack one countries before they are wiped out.

They are there to protect the world

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

No offence, but I'll vote for what I think is best for my country and it's future, not to please your great granny.
Quite rich for you to tell me to "learn facts" when I have told you various facts about the EU and scotlands entry into it which you clearly didn't know before.
I didn't agree with Brexit but I would never insult the intelligence of someone who voted for it or claim they didn't know what they were voting for, they clearly thought hard about it and considered what the consequences would be.

Voting Scotland out of the UK is not good for the country