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12-08-2017, 09:31 PM | #26 | ||
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Actually I prefer a 'spoon' to an unloaded gun full of hot air but no bite. |
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12-08-2017, 09:33 PM | #27 | |||
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I could find information, but a lot of it could easily be a pile of rubbish. I could easily find some sources to show Obama is the Anti-Christ or some rubbish, wouldn't make it valid. So what are your "respectable" sources?
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12-08-2017, 09:34 PM | #28 | ||
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Well said Dezzy.
The leavers just stick their fingers in their ears whenever the undeniability of the fact that people voted for lies and on false facts rears its head. |
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12-08-2017, 09:37 PM | #29 | ||
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That's where you can use your powers of deduction to evaluate the info. As i've repeatedly said, i DO NOT CARE about convincing you to share my views and opinions. They are mine. I'm not going to spoon-feed you.
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12-08-2017, 09:41 PM | #30 | |||
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What would you call more "undeniable" : a study by Oxford and LSE, or some rando on a forum saying "there ARE sources out there, I SWEAR!!"
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12-08-2017, 09:48 PM | #31 | ||
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In the context i used the term the fact that Farage admitted less than 24 hours after the vote that the ''£350 million a week will go straight back into the NHS when we leave the EU'' was incorrect and undeniable.
Please don't call me names ''Oliver''. Last edited by JTM45; 12-08-2017 at 09:49 PM. |
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12-08-2017, 09:52 PM | #32 | |||
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Farage was never in a position to make that promise, he has and had virtually no political power. "Rando" isn't an insult, sorry if you took it that way, it's just short for "random person." And who cares about Farage, what's he got to do with the price of fish?
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12-08-2017, 11:44 PM | #33 | |||
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Oh look I managed a whole sentence without calling you names or questioning your intelligence. You should try it sometime. It's not having an opinion that is the problem.
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13-08-2017, 01:10 AM | #34 | ||
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Hmm? You must be reading something completely different to what I wrote because I haven't called anyone names or questioned their intelligence. Any excuse to have a pop at me under the guise of the moral high ground, I guess. Unless you're pretending to be offended for the sake of the masses and trying to make out that what I've said is in someway an insult towards members? If so, good luck with the reaching. |
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13-08-2017, 07:09 AM | #35 | ||
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It's worrying how some simply cannot see that insulting thousands of voters for having a different opinion to theirs is the real problem here. Some speak of not being allowed an opinion when they repeatedly call thousands of others 'ignorant *****s' for just that - having an opinion. Then having the Gaul to say they haven't called anyone names or questioned their intelligence - definitely not on the same page as the rest of us. Practising what they preach would be a good lesson learned I think.
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13-08-2017, 07:37 AM | #36 | ||
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Corbyn is just another Labour politician promising the earth to win an election. You would think people would get that by now. You can stick your fingers in your ears once again. Last edited by Brillopad; 13-08-2017 at 07:45 AM. |
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13-08-2017, 08:23 AM | #37 | |||
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To suggest we will be paying, through our taxes, to educate students just shows a lack of understanding around how tax and deficits work. If we didn't have a deficit, the money machine would come to a grinding halt.
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13-08-2017, 09:59 AM | #38 | ||
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So you say, but information you have presented before has been questioned. Like most things the size of the national deficit is relevant. Very high Government debt can slow down the economy and increase taxation to pay for it. According to the latest Article IV report on the UK economy the IMF said that maintaining deficits and debts at high levels would also constrain the space to respond proactively to future large negative growth shocks. It is clearly not in our interests to have a very high national deficit which is what we would have to finance Corbyns' grand plans. Talk is cheap, action isn't. Personally I do not support a policy that expects those earning less to pay for a higher level of education that will likely provide much higher earnings for the beneficiaries. In principle it is wrong. If you want to benefit from higher education and the benefits it brings you have to expect to contribute. Last edited by Brillopad; 13-08-2017 at 11:04 AM. |
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13-08-2017, 11:45 AM | #39 | ||
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Now... Both Labour and the Tories unfortunately got this arse-backwards in each of their terms. Labour were in power during major boom years when we were thriving, but failed to address debt issues when we were in the position to do so. On the flipside... The Tories CUT spending and tightened the belts at a time when the economy was in trouble... The absolute opposite of the right thing to do. Creative spending on jobs and keeping the country flowing, and keeping money IN the pockets of consumers rather than removing it through austerity, is the way to bring us back to a thriving economy and THEN tackle the debt. And they're still doing it. Despite what some would have us believe, the economy is far from recovered, let alone thriving, and this Tory obsession with austerity and cuts is only going to slow the economy down further and make things worse. It needs a turbo boost... Not someone hitting the brakes. Its not really comparable to personal debt but a comparison can be drawn; Let's say someone is in £40,000 of debt and they earn £25,000 a year. An expensive, but promising, opportunity comes up and they now have two options: 1) They could stay in their 25k job and put every spare penny they have onto debts every month. If they do this, they reckon they can pay it all off in 15 years of frugal living. 2) They can borrow another 10k and go on a 3 year course that will bag them a job earning £50k a year. During the course they can only afford to repay the interest, so at the end of that, they will be in more debt, but earning more money, and have the now-50k debt paid off in another 9 years. So in option 1 it takes 15 years to pay the debt and still be in the same dead end job at the end of it. Option 2, initially the debt rises but in the end it only takes 12 years total to pay the debt, even through the debt was higher and started repaying later, and the person is also in a much better position at the end of it. The theory is the same. Spend money to make the economy truly strong and then repaying the debt won't be the same mountain that it is with our struggling economy in a time of uncertainty. |
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13-08-2017, 11:48 AM | #40 | |||
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My mind was made up years before the referendum, I knew how I would vote if there ever was one, for many reasons, but not least because we were dragged through major changes to what the EU was without being consulted for 40 years. That is unacceptable to me. Ironically because politicians calling all the shots and taking us into a political experiment without the people's consent was unacceptable. And yet here we have those who feel they know it all on forum telling me I voted the way I did because I believed every word of the campaign. I'm not the one telling others how they think and I'm being called ignorant.
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13-08-2017, 12:00 PM | #41 | |||
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I see "leavers" are still regarded is "stupid and ignorant" by the high-flying, deep thinking academics here who voted "stay".
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13-08-2017, 12:08 PM | #42 | ||
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I've never denied the masses their opinions, I've simply commented on them. You and others, however, do constantly try to shut down opinions you don't like be pretending to be offended and making out that anything you dislike is a rule break. I haven't called any member names or questioned their intelligence. Again, like Jaxie, you are trying to invalidate my opinion by making out that I'm insulting members when I've not simply because you can't handle opinions you disagree with. |
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13-08-2017, 12:11 PM | #43 | ||
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If you vote in an election or a referendum without truly understanding the issue then you are voting in ignorance and the majority of all voters are largely ignorant. Of course that distinction doesn't matter, any reason to act offended, huh? |
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13-08-2017, 12:12 PM | #44 | |||
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You said it much more eloquently than I did.
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13-08-2017, 12:14 PM | #45 | ||
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You just want an excuse to be offended at what someone you dislike has said although common sense and basic reading skills would dictate that what I said doesn't apply to anyone informed of the issues surrounding the vote. Last edited by Tom4784; 13-08-2017 at 12:15 PM. |
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13-08-2017, 12:30 PM | #46 | |||
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Why would I dislike you? I don't know you. I do dislike the sweeping arrogant generalisations which are based on no facts at all when you can have no idea what the majority of people thought or knew when they voted. Again with the veiled insults. Now you are accusing me of having no basic reading skills or common sense. How is that not offensive? What is wrong with you? You keep digging the hole.
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13-08-2017, 01:13 PM | #47 | ||
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13-08-2017, 01:32 PM | #48 | ||
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Same with the latest elections, May was dependant on slogans ('Strong and Stable', 'No deal is better than a bad deal') and if they weren't effective in generating a positive response from voters then they wouldn't have relied on them so heavily. You accuse me of arrogance (hypocritical considering how offended you act later on in the paragraph) yet my statements are based on looking at the tactics used by campaigns and simple knowledge of the public as a whole. You can pretend that everyone is informed and know exactly what they are voting for all you like but it won't reflect the reality that most voters won't ever research what they are voting on and don't really understand WHAT they are voting for which is why shallow tactics like slogans and headlines are so effective because people don't care enough to look into it any deeper than that. The rest is just you looking for reasons to be offended to discount what I said instead of forming an actual argument against it so I shan't bother responding to it. Last edited by Tom4784; 13-08-2017 at 03:04 PM. |
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13-08-2017, 01:33 PM | #49 | ||
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A mantra that I've repeated for years on this section is 'Everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone else is entitled to an opinion on that opinion.' Deflecting won't change that, Brillo.
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