[Cal.]

I've only seen Pearl Islands (watched late 2015) but I plan on watching a large portion of Survivor this summer.

Must see seasons girlies?

[MB.]

Any of Borneo-Marquesas, Amazon, Vanuatu, Panama, China, Micronesia, Gabon, HvV, Philippines, San Juan del Sur and Kaoh Rong would be my top picks

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Any of Borneo-Marquesas, Amazon, Vanuatu, Panama, China, Micronesia, Gabon, HvV, Philippines, San Juan del Sur and Kaoh Rong would be my top picks

Thank you

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by MB.

Any of Borneo-Marquesas, Amazon, Vanuatu, Panama, China, Micronesia, Gabon, HvV, Philippines, San Juan del Sur and Kaoh Rong would be my top picks

[JerseyWins]

I'd go with a bunch of those too. Cagayan is a must-watch but watch those listed first instead --- then save the best for last.

Also, Millennials vs. Gen X is a top 10 season of Survivor.

[MB.]

Cagayan's great, but you might be a bit put off if you're not keen on either of the two people the post-merge is edited heavily around

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Also, Millennials vs. Gen X is a top 10 season of Survivor.

Wow Sunday's impact knows no bounds!

[MB.]

Millennials vs. Gen X is definitely a top 34 season of Survivor

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I mean let's look at the Kaoh Rong cast... it had its non-entities...

Don't get me wrong plenty of these are likable but the same opinion can be formed like they are with the MvGx castaways.

Darnell (Rachel had more of an impact as a first boot)

Joe (completely irrelevant on so many episodes)

Jennifer (I forget what I liked about her but her edit doesn't really surpass a MvGX early boot such as Lucy, who had more of an impact in an episode at least ... could maybe compare to someone like Jessica even)

Anna (as much as I liked her she fizzled out quickly and she was one-dimensional... similar to like Michelle from MvGx.. who I also liked though )

Neal was a much worse / more boring version of Zeke as far as I'm concerned. Pretty damn bland.

Nick was a one-tone, annoying, full of himself character.

Scot & Jason served as decent villains for the season I'll give them that, but they're another pair of pretty unlikable castaways. (I guess Scot at least had a few different aspects to his personality as we saw with his relationship with Tai and what not but whatever at these two)

Aubry wasn't far off from the typical "nerdy" game player (likable enough though). The thing is, I would say Hannah is the WAY better version of this kind of character and actually had plenty of different dimensions to her character. Much funnier too obviously as Aubry didn't have much of a sense of humor.

Maybe some others as well. But that's half the cast already. I think you could pick apart plenty of people from the Kaoh Rong cast just like in the MvGx cast.

I was actually speaking to someone about Kaoh Rong recently and we was talking about how it was basically a year of two types of contestants, one half was entertaining but had no strategy at all, and then you had the other half being all game and no entertainment that should come with a gameplan imo.

Also the show got too wrapped up around Aubry and Jason.

[MB.]

I'd love to know who from Kaoh Rong would qualify as "all game and no entertainment", because I can think of maybe two at a push

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MB.

I'd love to know who from Kaoh Rong would qualify as "all game and no entertainment", because I can think of maybe two at a push

Well I was mainly thinking of Aubry, but at a push maybe Julia who did try and takedown Aubry towards the end of her stint.

The year wasn't very big on gameplayers, and the ones they did have were dull, and the entertainers had no game and left pretty early making the year even duller with a winner that I can't even remember her name that's how entertaining she was.

Basically Survivor ****ed up on it's concept in that year imo as none of the contestants combined entertainment with an attempt at strategy.

[MB.]

...not any of that is true, but that's the (brains, brawn and) beauty of opinions and subjective material, I guess

[JerseyWins]

Idk if I necessarily agree but it is true for some.... Neal definitely. Aubry maybe fits close to that, although she has some entertaining aspects to her.. but for sure very game oriented. Liz was all game but it was kinda entertaining to watch her "game." Anna/Julia I guess I agree with?

And I still don't know what Joe was supposed to be aside from a Sunday.

Anyway, I thought Kaoh Rong was really good though. I just think it's foolish to bash a season (MvGx) for character flaws when you can pick apart most casts if you really tried. Any argument against Kaoh Rong characters being one-dimensional could easily be done with the MvGx cast but yes if you just think generally they can be viewed as "one-dimensional" or underdeveloped characters. I think MvGx just had a strong focus on cast members that people around here didn't care for and that's where the difference lies.

[JerseyWins]

Oh and I don't mean it's foolish because character development shouldn't be bashed... it can definitely hurt a season... but I just think that the MvGx character development was comparable to plenty of good seasons' casts and had the moments / flips / etc. to make it a great season.

[MB.]

-Aubry had some of the most memorable confessionals of the season (see: Oregon Trail), had a full nervous breakdown on day two plus a resulting character growth arc and a fully-realised, well-edited storyline (underestimated outsider loses her close allies through an almost comical series of events and bad luck, eventually overcomes these hurdles to become a strategic threat, before losing it all because she wasn't able to connect with the jury, having sacrificed personal connections for aforementioned strategic gain)
-I agree with you on Liz, who was a rare example of being entertaining because she was such a bot, to the extent of malfunctioning and having a meltdown over water <3
-Anna was the other person who I'd say seemed "all game" to me, but for a Survivor early boot, that's not unusual - especially when compared to characters who managed to be entertaining despite only lasting a few episodes, like Darnell, Jenny and Alecia - and at least she had the brief carrying-out-confessionals-by-lying-horizontally-on-rocks-with-her-boobs-hanging-out edit to be remembered by. But hey, every reason needs a duffer slash awful Twitter personality, right?
-Joe was, in spite of his very minimal screen time, unintentionally hilarious and loveable and what you'd get if Abe Simpson were ever to play Survivor: importantly, he was a character, and that's what was missing from so much of MvGX. Screen time isn't necessarily the problem; it's what the editors choose to show in that screen time. On one hand, Darnell will be remembered for pooping in the ocean, Jenny will be remembered for the bug in her ear and going insane at Tribal, Alecia will be remembered for making an embyro and being a mental giant and the list goes on... on the other, who was Rachel? Who was Lucy? Who was CeCe? Who was Sunday? Heck, who was Chris? Who was Mari other than the millennial who plays video games and plays video games because she's a millennial?
-And perhaps even more importantly, the edit made sense in Kaoh Rong. The managed to tell a coherent story with an interesting set of people, which is something that's been hugely lacking in MvGX and Game Changers, and if you back a little further, Cambodia. Kaoh Rong may not be 100% perfect, but considering what it managed to achieve in spite of the current trend of diabolical editing, ludicrous advantage overloads and focus on Big Moves while sacrificing character moments, it's not far off.

[reece(:]

But M vs Gen X had CeCe, Lucy, Chris, Will, Sunday, Jessica Bland etc. All forgettable because they weren't given an edit.

[Mystic Mock]

The best thing about CeCe was her appalling performances in the tasks.

[MB.]

afaik that was the only thing about CeCe (wasn't she the one who moved halfway across the country just to have a better chance of being cast on Survivor? A fact which was never even mentioned?)

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MB.

afaik that was the only thing about CeCe (wasn't she the one who moved halfway across the country just to have a better chance of being cast on Survivor? A fact which was never even mentioned?)

I can't remember as CeCe never really interested me very much.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by MB.

-Aubry had some of the most memorable confessionals of the season (see: Oregon Trail), had a full nervous breakdown on day two plus a resulting character growth arc and a fully-realised, well-edited storyline (underestimated outsider loses her close allies through an almost comical series of events and bad luck, eventually overcomes these hurdles to become a strategic threat, before losing it all because she wasn't able to connect with the jury, having sacrificed personal connections for aforementioned strategic gain)
-I agree with you on Liz, who was a rare example of being entertaining because she was such a bot, to the extent of malfunctioning and having a meltdown over water <3
-Anna was the other person who I'd say seemed "all game" to me, but for a Survivor early boot, that's not unusual - especially when compared to characters who managed to be entertaining despite only lasting a few episodes, like Darnell, Jenny and Alecia - and at least she had the brief carrying-out-confessionals-by-lying-horizontally-on-rocks-with-her-boobs-hanging-out edit to be remembered by. But hey, every reason needs a duffer slash awful Twitter personality, right?
-Joe was, in spite of his very minimal screen time, unintentionally hilarious and loveable and what you'd get if Abe Simpson were ever to play Survivor: importantly, he was a character, and that's what was missing from so much of MvGX. Screen time isn't necessarily the problem; it's what the editors choose to show in that screen time. On one hand, Darnell will be remembered for pooping in the ocean, Jenny will be remembered for the bug in her ear and going insane at Tribal, Alecia will be remembered for making an embyro and being a mental giant and the list goes on... on the other, who was Rachel? Who was Lucy? Who was CeCe? Who was Sunday? Heck, who was Chris? Who was Mari other than the millennial who plays video games and plays video games because she's a millennial?
-And perhaps even more importantly, the edit made sense in Kaoh Rong. The managed to tell a coherent story with an interesting set of people, which is something that's been hugely lacking in MvGX and Game Changers, and if you back a little further, Cambodia. Kaoh Rong may not be 100% perfect, but considering what it managed to achieve in spite of the current trend of diabolical editing, ludicrous advantage overloads and focus on Big Moves while sacrificing character moments, it's not far off.

Let us all take a moment to take in how righteous this post is.

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. Nicaragua
15. China
16. Philippines
17. The Australian Outback
18. Guatemala
19. Palau
20. South Pacific
---21. Game Changers---
22. Tocantins
23. Fiji
24. Blood vs. Water
25. Thailand
26. All-Stars
27. Millennials vs. Gen X
28. Worlds Apart
29. One World
30. Cambodia
31. Samoa
32. Caramoan
33. Cook Islands
34. Redemption Island

Game Changers was.... okay! A looooot better than I was expecting, but I was expecting complete garbage to be fair. I find it in the same vein of Blood vs. Water where it's just like "alright, this is another season of Survivor" and I don't feel that strongly about it either way I think the pre-merge was watchable but nothing special, and the post-merge got more boring by the episode, culminating in me falling asleep TWICE during the funale, which has never happened to me before (and I was definitely tired and in need of some sleep, but watching the finale didn't help at all.) I think #21 might actually be a little generous right now bc I'm thinking about Sandra, so don't be surprised if I bump this down like two or three spots sometime soon.

[DouglasS]

I'm shocked at howmuch I enjoyed this season, I also was expecting to not like it - I'm not massive on returnee seasons.

Pre-merge i thought was fantastic, some brilliant tribals. It was coherent in its editing as well to understand storylines and future plots.

I agree post merge was rushed, but I disagree that it was boring each episode - I think Debbie's elimination/Sarah's flipping was interesting to watch.

Also Zeke's elimination was a good episode, had no clue whether it'd be him, Andrea or Sierra.

I think it was actually a really good season, just messed up a bit from the rushed merge section, it really needed another episode - perhaps Cirie's boot episode. Which would have meant the finale could consist of Tai/Aubry's elimination and the goings of the camp.

Also the fact Sandra had the main edit of pre merge and then Cirie had the main edit of post merge was suprising, yet interesting. Also suprised Debbie was the villan of the season with such a strong edit, while Ozzy/Malcolm/JT didn't feature too much [Jeff's usual faves]. I personally do like Ozzzy/Malolm very much. Normally its very male dominated, so it was a nice suprise/change. I expected Hali/Sierra to have non-existant edits, but both actually featured pretty heavily.

[EspeonBB]

I think Game Changers is around mid table for me too. It wasn't awful like the seasons I have at the bottom (RI, One World etc.) and the pre-merge was very strong but it started to fizzle out a bit by the mid-merge and the last two episodes in particular were terrible. Also the editing wasn't very good, with new different relationships forming every episode without any explanation (like Andrea and Aubry suddenly becoming tight).

Thinking about the pre-merge as a tribute to Sandra and the post-merge as a tribute to Cirie makes things better though <3

[JerseyWins]

Amazing to Great
Very Good to Pretty Good
Ok to Meh
Bad to Very Bad


Cagayan
Pearl Islands
Panama
Amazon
San Juan del Sur
China
Caramoan
Samoa
Micronesia
Millennials vs. Gen X
Gabon
Kaoh Rong
Heroes vs. Villains
Marquesas
Worlds Apart
Borneo
Philippines
Heroes vs. Hustlers vs. Healers
One World
Cambodia
Tocantins
Blood vs. Water
Nicaragua
Redemption Island
Game Changers
Africa
Fiji
Australia
Palau
Guatemala
All Stars
Cook Islands
Vanuatu
South Pacific
Thailand

HvHvH right around that blue/orange border. Plus a few small changes, including Game Changers lowered a few spots in hindsight.

[Calderyon]

Canīt make a list atm. Or could, but it would be very hard, since i donīt remember most of them anymore and canīt be bothered to rewatch.

I might try make a list at some point. Heroes vs Villains is at the top though.