[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

I was 3/4 when circumcised (for medical reasons) and I still remember every moment of the pain for the 2ish weeks after - everything stinging so badly when I took a piss that I literally used to lie about not needing the toilet so I wouldn't have to go through the pain.

Obviously now I realise that I'd have rathered do that than whatever the issue was before but there's no doubt I can still remember that pain from 13ish years ago when I was 3/4.

Jeez sounds like agony , this is why I don't understand why people have it done for "cosmetic reasons" why put yourself through that pain willingly. It's not like going to the hairdressers for a haircut .

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Jeez sounds like agony , this is why I don't understand why people have it done for "cosmetic reasons" why put yourself through that pain willingly. It's not like going to the hairdressers for a haircut .

Honestly it was terrible, and at the time I had no idea what it was for, I was too young to understand.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

Honestly it was terrible, and at the time I had no idea what it was for, I was too young to understand.

That's bad but if it was for medical reasons do you think it was worth it ?. And now looking back would you rather of had it as an adult or are you glad you had it as a child, and got it out the way despite the pain ? .

[parmnion]

Noooo, not thier onion rings!!

[Jessica.]

Yeah, I don't think it should be allowed on children anywhere unless there's a medical reason for it. It's a very outdated practice.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by rk3388

I'm surprised by all the people calling it mutilation- I think it's a UK thing maybe. Babies do not remember the procedure at all and it actually helps keep that region clean. I don't know why people have any issues with it - If "people were to make their own decision when they're adults" which a lot of you were saying that would be a more painful experience and more traumatic.

It does not help keep any region clean, you may as well say remove all their teeth to protect against tooth decay. There is no medical evidence of note that would suggest it is a good idea and that is precisely why no doctor would ever suggest it be done to a healthy child.

[waterhog]

was going to do a poem on this but just going to say it in a statement that will be less effective -

if Iceland try to ban all men then are circumcised they will have a discrimination case against them and I am sure sales will take a snip.

no good at comedy - going back to poetry

[bitontheslide]

It's not much different to the practice of docking dogs tails, and that has been banned for years

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rk3388

I'm surprised by all the people calling it mutilation- I think it's a UK thing maybe. Babies do not remember the procedure at all and it actually helps keep that region clean. I don't know why people have any issues with it - If "people were to make their own decision when they're adults" which a lot of you were saying that would be a more painful experience and more traumatic.

It's not a UK thing, it's pretty much everywhere in the western world besides North America thing You don't cut bits of your body off to keep them clean, such odd logic

[Jessica.]

I don't think ear piercing is as bad, because you are not messing with someones genitals, but I do think it's unnecessary, it's better to just wait for the kid to ask for that. Babies and little kids already have to go through necessary pain with the heal prick for example and vaccines, so it's really a bit cruel to put them through cosmetic procedures..

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That's bad but if it was for medical reasons do you think it was worth it ?. And now looking back would you rather of had it as an adult or are you glad you had it as a child, and got it out the way despite the pain ? .

Oh yes definitley preferred to have it as a child than an adult because I can only imagine how clearer the pain would be in my mind, if what I went through as a child is still there.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yeah, I don't think it should be allowed on children anywhere unless there's a medical reason for it. It's a very outdated practice.

Here, here. It's as barbaric as Female Genital Mutilation. Totally unnecessary unless for medical reasons.

[Vicky.]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-baby-goodluck

Such gruesome deaths following circumcision may be rare in the UK, but non-fatal complications are anything but. Manchester Royal Children's hospital reports that it treats around three cases of bleeding circumcisions every month. In 2009 alone, in one hospital in Birmingham, 105 boys were treated at A&E for complications after circumcisions. One per month had life-threatening injuries. In June, a letter to the newsletter of the British Association for Community Child Health reported on some of the injuries caused by unlicensed circumcision practitioners in the Bristol area. They included a fractured skull caused by a baby falling off a kitchen table during a home circumcision.

An audit of circumcisions conducted at an Islamic school in Oxford, and reported in the Journal of Public Health this year, revealed that 45% of boys had suffered complications. All these examples have one common feature: they were conducted in non-clinical conditions. While it is illegal to tattoo a child in the UK, there is no law to prevent anyone from setting up a business in permanently slicing the sensitive, delicate skin from boys' genitals without anaesthetic. In Rusholme, Manchester, there is a notice on a first floor window offering circumcisions, quite literally in a backstreet above a kebab shop. This is utterly obscene.

In New York recently, it emerged that 11 babies in as many years had contracted herpes during their circumcisions, of whom two died and two more suffered brain damage. The infection was caused by the Orthodox ritual of metzitzah b'peh, in which the mohel puts his mouth directly on the baby's bleeding penis and sucks the wound clean. There is no way of knowing the extent to which the same practice is being employed in the UK, but there is nothing to legally proscribe it.

People on my friends list are saying circumcision is harmless and such.

Even if it WAS harmless, its still cutting off a piece of another persons body without their consent.

[GoldHeart]

It's also a bit silly to assume it's "cleaner" when it's done ,when its down to your personal hygiene whether you have it done or not . If you have it done and never wash then it hasn't made a difference ,and if you don't have it then you just have to wash properly .

People say the same thing with pubes, if you get rid of them it's "cleaner" , but again it's your own personal hygiene but it makes sense to get rid of pubes more .

[Twosugars]

We can fume and quote all the evidence in the world and it won't make any difference. It is a religious practice, end of, and it won't be banned.
The best we can hope for is some medical supervision or licencing of practitioners like it is done in Sweden and few other countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_law

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

We can fume and quote all the evidence in the world and it won't make any difference. It is a religious practice, end of, and it won't be banned.
The best we can hope for is some medical supervision or licencing of practitioners like it is done in Sweden and few other countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_law

yes it will, religion is drastically dying out in the modern world and this vile practice will do the same

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

We can fume and quote all the evidence in the world and it won't make any difference. It is a religious practice, end of, and it won't be banned.
The best we can hope for is some medical supervision or licencing of practitioners like it is done in Sweden and few other countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_law

This is what I hope for too , that they seek medical supervision and take health precautions for the safety of the babies they're so fragile . They can't afford to risk infections or complications .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes it will, religion is drastically dying out in the modern world and this vile practice will do the same

time will tell, Trumpet
but first let's see how Iceland fares with this.
They are not the first to try, you know. All previous attempts by supposedly modern and not religious countries ended in a climbdown and a compromise to allow religious circumcision, so I'm not holding my breath

[Twosugars]

The Bible (Genesis) says:

And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of a covenant betwixt Me and you.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/17-11.htm



I guess it's lucky God didn't ask for more, like some fingers or an arm

[Vicky.]

But why would God make men with foreskins if God wanted them not to have them

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But why would God make men with foreskins if God wanted them not to have them

It's not just religious reasons why people have it done though ,and as we all know people interpret religious scriptures whichever way they want . You don't necessarily have to take everything LITERALLY .

[Vicky.]

No, its not just religious reasons.

But still, it should not be done on babies without a medical need for it to be done. As babies cannot consent to having parts of their penis chopped off. I actually just watched a video of a circumcision, and am even more against it I knew what the video was (was posted elsewhere) but curiosity got the better of me..and that poor child Guy who did it also sucked the blood off. So parents watched while a stranger chopped a part of their baby off, unnecessarily..and then sucked its penis. Its just..gross.

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think them remembering it is the issue.

And as for the "hygiene" reason, that's rubbish. Uncut penises are perfectly fine, as long as the person with that penis is hygienic and washes properly.

I think I read somewhere once that Islam says "excrements" could collect under the foreskin and cause cancer. No actual evidence for this whatsoever.

It's almost like saying "Let's cut people's arms off because it gets very sweaty and dirty in their armpit otherwise. As opposed to, you know, lifting your arm up and having a wash". :hehe:

Actually no, it's not like saying that at all

The piece of skin doesn't benefit anyone's life in anyway. And no it is not rubbish because not everyone who is uncircumcised has good hygiene- and that is what increases the risk of cancer.

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Here, here. It's as barbaric as Female Genital Mutilation. Totally unnecessary unless for medical reasons.

female circumcision is a whole other topic- you can not relate the two

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's not just religious reasons why people have it done though ,and as we all know people interpret religious scriptures whichever way they want . You don't necessarily have to take everything LITERALLY .

Very true. This passage is in all different Bible versions, but afaik, Christians don't consider circumcision necessary. But Muslims and Jews do. Go figure