[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

poor Ann being used as a weapon to lure in followers (they know she had been well liked on strictly and cbb)

The Brexit party would have had the same winning seats WITHOUT Anne, voters voted for their SINGLE POLICY and that is to get us out of the corrupt EU as soon as possible

[arista]

Nigel Live On LBC now

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The Brexit party would have had the same winning seats WITHOUT Anne, voters voted for their SINGLE POLICY and that is to get us out of the corrupt EU as soon as possible

Too bad the majority of voters want to remain

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Too bad the majority of voters want to remain

i am afraid that inaccuracy was debunked quite some time ago

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am afraid that inaccuracy was debunked quite some time ago

Keep on deluding yourself

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Keep on deluding yourself

There will be more pro leave eu members fighting the uks corner now...and that's all that matters...hopefully we don't leave at the end of October thus ensuring farage gains the keys to number ten.

[arista]

[arista]

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

When set 8 kids take a class photo

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Too bad the majority of voters want to remain

Oh dear how wrong you are Take off the staunch Lib Dem and Green party voters and you will learn that you are TOTALLY wrong

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Keep on deluding yourself

I think you will find its OTHERS who are deluded, not my learned friend

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Oh dear how wrong you are Take off the staunch Lib Dem and Green party voters and you will learn that you are TOTALLY wrong

Ah yeah, is that the same as if you take away the Brexit party voters you will learn that most people want to remain?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Ah yeah, is that the same as if you take away the Brexit party voters you will learn that most people want to remain?

Most voters perhaps....but certainly not most of the population.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Oh dear how wrong you are Take off the staunch Lib Dem and Green party voters and you will learn that you are TOTALLY wrong

You ignoring entire parties in statistics because you don’t agree with them personally is me ignoring all my problems hoping they’ll go away

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Ah yeah, is that the same as if you take away the Brexit party voters you will learn that most people want to remain?

Really ?Are seriously thinking someone will believe this ^^^ Word of advice to all the sad Labour voters who were too lazy to put down their X Box controller to go to vote or are too young to vote ,next time back up your party of choice as we Brexit party voters did ,then you won't be so bitter

[bitontheslide]

The percentage points may drift a bit either way for or against brexit, but that's not really the point. The country is pretty evenly split to both sides.

I have said 100 times now that the real options are no deal brexit and revoke article 50. I don't personally think that parliament will actively vote for either of those options, so given that, it has to go to the people in the form of a referendum. If there is another ref, and I think that is the only way of breaking the parliament fiasco, then there should be no fudging. It should be a straight choice .... no deal brexit or remain. Thats what the ref should have been first time around.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I wish people ignored jpegs on facebook and twitter and listened to actual debates by the people involved on the radio - they go into far more detail, explore points fully and get much needed voter interaction from all sides.

I think a real problem with the "remain" side is that they tend to get a lot of info from social media sound-bites that are often proven to be fake news?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wish people ignored jpegs on facebook and twitter and listened to actual debates by the people involved on the radio - they go into far more detail, explore points fully and get much needed voter interaction from all sides.

I think a real problem with the "remain" side is that they tend to get a lot of info from social media sound-bites that are often proven to be fake news?

i think a big problem with the leave side is the fake social media accounts, the disinformation and the funding corruption

[Livia]

I heard so many remainers say that the EU elections will be a kind of second referendum, allowing people to demonstrate with their vote that they want to remain.

How wrong they all were. Again.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

I heard so many remainers say that the EU elections will be a kind of second referendum, allowing people to demonstrate with their vote that they want to remain.

How wrong they all were. Again.

So the figures were:
Brexit Party 29
Lib Dems 15
Labour 10
Green 7
Conservatives 3
SNP 3
Plaid Cymru 1
Change UK 0


Breaking this down into pro- and anti- Brexit

Pro
Brexit Party 29
Labour 10*
Conservatives 3*
Total = 42

Anti
Lib Dems 15
Green 7
SNP 3
Plaid Cymru 1
Change UK 0
Total = 26

*According to their manifestos only.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wish people ignored jpegs on facebook and twitter and listened to actual debates by the people involved on the radio - they go into far more detail, explore points fully and get much needed voter interaction from all sides.

I think a real problem with the "remain" side is that they tend to get a lot of info from social media sound-bites that are often proven to be fake news?

Ehh. Pictures can say a thousand words, on principal I have no problem with boiling an argument down to a "meme", if the message is carried effectively and more importantly - if a link to the substantial argument it's based on is provided in the description.

And let's not pretend either side is immune to fake news.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Livia

I heard so many remainers say that the EU elections will be a kind of second referendum, allowing people to demonstrate with their vote that they want to remain.

How wrong they all were. Again.

But like, they weren’t wrong?

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Really ?Are seriously thinking someone will believe this ^^^ Word of advice to all the sad Labour voters who were too lazy to put down their X Box controller to go to vote or are too young to vote ,next time back up your party of choice as we Brexit party voters did ,then you won't be so bitter

Why do you think I wanted Labour to win?

[LeatherTrumpet]

the worst thing about the vote is 73% could not be bothered to vote

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So the figures were:

Brexit Party 29

Lib Dems 15

Labour 10

Green 7

Conservatives 3

SNP 3

Plaid Cymru 1

Change UK 0





Breaking this down into pro- and anti- Brexit



Pro

Brexit Party 29

Labour 10*

Conservatives 3*

Total = 42



Anti

Lib Dems 15

Green 7

SNP 3

Plaid Cymru 1

Change UK 0

Total = 26



*According to their manifestos only.

Going by their manifesto pledges is nonsense though, assuming that Conservative and especially Labour voters are pro Brexit is just nonsense. There's no way around that. Doing otherwise can only ever be a deliberate attempt to manipulate the figures.

Again, the EU elections showed only very basic things:

1) Still pretty much a 50/50 stalemate on Brexit in general.

2) Nowhere near a majority on wanting no-deal Brexit.

3) People are very unhappy with Conservative and Labour.


All of these attempts to "illustrate" anything other than that, by either side, by doing gymnastics with the figures is just propaganda.