[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think I haven't stressed enough how dodgy some Americans can be in a normal social setting. From everything I've read, relative to our overseas comrades, we seem to be significantly more paranoid about random encounters... we're just so independent, so that's part of it as some people here are really hermetic now (particularly the young), and obviously we compete over everything...

That and the silly gun laws are a terrible match.

[Tom4784]

It won't surprise me if it turns out to be an intentional murder, there's too many things that don't add up to be an accident.

It's another example of a trigger happy police officer killing a black person for basically existing.

[Vicky.]

**** off with manslaughter/self defence excuse. This was clearly murder.

[Moniqua]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we need all the facts before we reach for the picthforks

oh fook off,

these bullsh*t excuses for blatant murder (of black people) needs to stop ffs

[kirklancaster]

Has anyone got the answers to the following?:

What colour is the cop?

If she entered the wrong flat by mistake then one has to presume that the flat door was unlocked.

Because she is a cop, one has to further presume that she left her own flat door locked, so didn't she stop and think upon finding the flat door which she was entering unlocked?

Are ALL the Flats identical on the exterior? I'm talking door styles, the colour of doors.

Were the doors not numbered?

Personally, I think this stinks to High Heaven and the sooner that the facts are published the better.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Moniqua

oh fook off,

these bullsh*t excuses for blatant murder (of black people) needs to stop ffs

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Moniqua

oh fook off,

these bullsh*t excuses for blatant murder (of black people) needs to stop ffs

so the facts of the case are not necessary to reach a conclusion?

[Toy Soldier]

I would call total bull**** - except that when we were at University, me, my (now) wife and FOUR other people got home from a night out, walked into the back garden of her house, found the house locked and the key not working and became enraged that one of her housemates (who she didn't really get one with) had changed the locks.

Except, we were at completely the wrong house.

But wait, it gets weirder.

This house had a large wooden fence that we scaled to get to the back door, her house did not. WE THOUGHT HER HOUSEMATE HAD BUILT A FENCE. We were ****ing furious about it all. Shouting and swearing. Then a neighbour comes out like "excuse me, that's not your house".

It was like a fog lifted and we suddenly realised that it clearly wasn't... Which cued hysterical laughter for a good 20 minutes.

OK yes, we were all pretty drunk, but six of us?? All totally immersed in this delusion. And when we looked at the house the next day, it looked nothing LIKE her house. It had steps leading up to the door and hers didn't! It still creeps me out thinking about it. Temporary, shared, complete ****ing insanity.


... However in THIS case I do kinda call BS and I think there's probably more to the story.

Just saying, I do totally believe its feasible.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I would call total bull**** - except that when we were at University, me, my (now) wife and FOUR other people got home from a night out, walked into the back garden of her house, found the house locked and the key not working and became enraged that one of her housemates (who she didn't really get one with) had changed the locks.

Except, we were at completely the wrong house.

But wait, it gets weirder.

This house had a large wooden fence that we scaled to get to the back door, her house did not. WE THOUGHT HER HOUSEMATE HAD BUILT A FENCE. We were ****ing furious about it all. Shouting and swearing. Then a neighbour comes out like "excuse me, that's not your house".

It was like a fog lifted and we suddenly realised that it clearly wasn't... Which cued hysterical laughter for a good 20 minutes.

OK yes, we were all pretty drunk, but six of us?? All totally immersed in this delusion. And when we looked at the house the next day, it looked nothing LIKE her house. It had steps leading up to the door and hers didn't! It still creeps me out thinking about it. Temporary, shared, complete ****ing insanity.


... However in THIS case I do kinda call BS and I think there's probably more to the story.

Just saying, I do totally believe its feasible.

- The emboldened.

I have shared a hallucination with two others back in the early 70's whilst we were all tripping out on LSD but SIX of you pissed? WTF were you all drinking?

[Maru]

It's also feasible the keys could've matched both locks... that happens with some of the cheaper locksets... it was known to happen at one of the apartments we lived at...

It happens pretty often with Masterlocks. I had a key for a padlock at my house and it worked for most of the padlocks on our school property ^-^... there's apparently only so much variability between different locksets... so yeah, when I had heard from our maintenance man there had been that problem at our apartment, I completely knew where he was coming from...

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I would call total bull**** - except that when we were at University, me, my (now) wife and FOUR other people got home from a night out, walked into the back garden of her house, found the house locked and the key not working and became enraged that one of her housemates (who she didn't really get one with) had changed the locks.

Except, we were at completely the wrong house.

But wait, it gets weirder.

This house had a large wooden fence that we scaled to get to the back door, her house did not. WE THOUGHT HER HOUSEMATE HAD BUILT A FENCE. We were ****ing furious about it all. Shouting and swearing. Then a neighbour comes out like "excuse me, that's not your house".

It was like a fog lifted and we suddenly realised that it clearly wasn't... Which cued hysterical laughter for a good 20 minutes.

OK yes, we were all pretty drunk, but six of us?? All totally immersed in this delusion. And when we looked at the house the next day, it looked nothing LIKE her house. It had steps leading up to the door and hers didn't! It still creeps me out thinking about it. Temporary, shared, complete ****ing insanity.


... However in THIS case I do kinda call BS and I think there's probably more to the story.

Just saying, I do totally believe its feasible.

Well they did do alcohol/drug testing for a reason... Funny how y'all had a collective consciousness/matched intellect for that short bit... might've achieved something really productive there if y'all had had a different kind of conversation...

[Maru]

She's been arrested.

Dallas officer Amber Guyger arrested on manslaughter charge in Botham Jean shooting
https://www.khou.com/article/news/lo.../285-592459528

WHAT HAPPENED

After working a 12-hour shift, which included overtime, Officer Guyger returned home Thursday around 10 p.m. and walked to an apartment unit she believed to be her own at the Southside Flats in the 1200 block of South Lamar.

Officer Guyger was in full uniform when she encountered Jean in the apartment, according to Dallas Police Chief U. Renee Hall.

It is unclear what the interaction was between Guyger and Jean, Hall said, but at some point she did fire her weapon, striking the victim.

The officer called 911 and authorities responded and took Jean to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Guyger hadn’t been questioned when Hall spoke early Friday afternoon, and Hall said no information was available about Guyger’s level of fatigue at the time of the shooting.

A blood sample was drawn from the officer to test for alcohol and drugs.

Dallas police began the investigation under normal officer-involved shooting protocol, but, after the circumstances of the shooting became clear, the Texas Rangers were tapped to lead the investigation.

“As we continued the investigation, it became clear that we were dealing with what appears to be much of a very unique situation.” said Chief Hall.

Hall acknowledged that the investigation was in its infancy early Friday afternoon.

“There are more questions than we have answers,” she said.

[Maru]

I don't think alcohol is likely involved if she came post-shift in uniform... unless she's got some stored in her car... drinking while in uniform though is a big no-no... she'd still be seen as representing the agency if seen, so subject to their rules of behavior...

[Toy Soldier]

As a theory... maybe when she walked in unannounced thinking it was her place, the victim thought SHE was an intruder and ran in shouting aggressively or waving something (as you probably would if a stranger walked into your home) at which point the officer, believing she was in HER home, reacted and pulled her weapon. That could all happen pretty quickly before she had a chance to look around and realise she was in the wrong apartment, if the hallways / external doors etc. all look the same.

[Toy Soldier]

I guess it's also relevant to know what had happened on her previous shift, e.g. had there been any aggressive or violent altercations that would have left her on edge / jumpy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I don't believe it was a mistake. I reckon it was murder and intentional.

mmm the story sounds utterly ridiculous

[LeatherTrumpet]

no point speculating till the facts are in

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no point speculating till the facts are in

The facts are she walked into her neighbours apartment and shot him dead because she apparently thought it was her apartment? That sounds really odd. Does she not know what the guy living next door looks like?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The facts are she walked into her neighbours apartment and shot him dead because she apparently thought it was her apartment? That sounds really odd. Does she not know what the guy living next door looks like?

maybe not

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

maybe not

and you don't think that's odd? or that it's odd to not know it wasn't your apartment when you opened the door or just walking into the wrong apartment full stop? Ok then

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and you don't think that's odd? or that it's odd to not know it wasn't your apartment when you opened the door or just walking into the wrong apartment full stop? Ok then

i dont presume anything, just deal with the evidence

[bitontheslide]

We really don't know all the relevant facts. For example was the guy who got shot pointing a gun at her when she shot him? I'm not trying to make excuses for the woman, but we just don't know enough about the circumstances to be able to draw a sensible conclusion. I'm sure all the details will come out eventually, and hopefully the correct punishment will be applied.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i dont presume anything, just deal with the evidence

Ok but I'm literally commenting on the facts there

[smudgie]

Perhaps she didn't have time to turn the light on before Mr.Jean appeared, shock and her training would be to protect herself.
On the other hand, maybe they were having an affair, or a neighbourly squabble
We know nothing as yet.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Perhaps she didn't have time to turn the light on before Mr.Jean appeared, shock and her training would be to protect herself.
On the other hand, maybe they were having an affair, or a neighbourly squabble
We know nothing as yet.

That was my thinking Smudgie... if she did really think she had opened the right door and he reacted by moving towards the door probably shouting (like anyone would), then she may have reacted without actually having time to look at where she was / who it was. If she thought it was her home, and that no one should be in there.

But if they DID know each other, there's always the possibility that it was an argument gone wrong and she's come up with the story afterwards to try to cover it up .