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31-08-2016, 10:47 AM | #76 | |||
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They talk about Tom Cruise and John Travolta in the film (and imply they kept them and have them promote the church because of 'information' they have on them)... they basically make their followers divulge secrets and things which they keep on file before allowing them to progress through the ranks of the church and learn the secrets of the church etc... (and they have people employed to use that information to blackmail dissenters) it's all really strange and complicated and I probably can't explain it as well as the film does It's all to do with manipulation, control and blackmail though basically. They also have a 'celebrity department' where they have people employed to recruit celebrities... I can't really remeber the ins and outs though, it's been a while since I saw it so I might watch it again
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31-08-2016, 10:49 AM | #77 | |||
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31-08-2016, 10:56 AM | #78 | |||
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I don't know, I've heard rumours that it's because they're gay though, if it is that they might think that it would ruin their careers/family life etc if it came out.
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31-08-2016, 10:58 AM | #79 | |||
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Meh, is ruining your life by being involved with that group better though? It's not like it's a big deal being gay in this day and age
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31-08-2016, 11:09 AM | #80 | |||
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I'd say it isn't, but I suppose they could have been brainwashed? Also, say it was true and they came out with it now, and said that they'd only promoted the church because they were being blackmailed etc (assuming it's true obviously) I think it would ruin them. It's not just that they'd be coming out as gay but it's all the lies they'd told to people in promoting the church etc, no one would have any respect for them.
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31-08-2016, 12:51 PM | #81 | |||
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No one has any definitive proof one way or another so everyone should be free to choose. And people should respect other people's freedom to choose even if they don't respect the religion itself. If people have faith, good for them. If they don't, good for them too. What I object to is the CONSTANT suggestion that people who do have faith are non-thinking, closed-minded morons. Because frankly, I consider myself to be an intelligent being, more than able to hold my own with anyone on this forum... and I have faith. I've never posted a thread ridiculing non-believers. Shame that isn't a two-way street. |
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31-08-2016, 12:56 PM | #82 | |||
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31-08-2016, 01:09 PM | #83 | |||
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31-08-2016, 01:15 PM | #84 | |||
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31-08-2016, 01:53 PM | #85 | |||
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I went to a church school myself and have seen religious conditioning first hand. So while no one is saying people are forced to believe there is definitely someone or someones who puts that faith and way of worship in your head and it isn't god. I can assure you I haven't suggested anyone is a moron or ridiculed anyone. This conversation began because you seemed to be offended by the link and accused the person in it of things they didn't actually say. All of those things you think are being suggested haven't been. I often find your posts amusing and witty. I fully respect anyone's right to believe in anything if it makes them happy. I am definitely not the person getting defensive.
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31-08-2016, 04:18 PM | #86 | |||
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31-08-2016, 04:30 PM | #87 | |||
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Disaffiliation can and has resulted in being shunned or worse :/
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31-08-2016, 04:55 PM | #88 | ||
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If, starting tomorrow, every baby born was kept in the dark about religion (somehow) until reaching the age of being able to make a rational choice, organised religion would be dead in a generation. Simple as that really. It's kept alive through indoctrination, whether that be subtle low-level immersion from birth or harder conversion later in life.
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31-08-2016, 05:24 PM | #89 | |||
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31-08-2016, 05:53 PM | #90 | |||
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Uhhh.. the church doesn't call you, stalk you, threaten you, pressure you for hours on end to donate money and will even call the bank for you to get you a line of credit, "expose" you to your family, chase you down for talking bad about them... it's very much voluntary to be in a normal organized religion. If you go and stop showing up, nobody will call you. Scientology and FLDS will try ruin to your life for trying to leave... especially if you don't do it quietly.
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31-08-2016, 05:55 PM | #91 | ||
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wow so many people here conditioned and brainwashed into radical atheism....these people should have been allowed free choice
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31-08-2016, 06:30 PM | #92 | |||
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31-08-2016, 06:39 PM | #93 | |||
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I blame my parents lack of religious indoctrination skills.
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31-08-2016, 06:41 PM | #94 | |||
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Same, they failed in their quest although tbh I don't think their own hearts were really in it either
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31-08-2016, 07:01 PM | #95 | |||
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31-08-2016, 08:08 PM | #96 | |||
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31-08-2016, 08:10 PM | #97 | ||
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I was sent to Sunday School and learned all about Jesus and friends, actually. I just figured out that it was a story eventually. Around the time I stopped believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy, I would imagine.
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31-08-2016, 08:14 PM | #98 | |||
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There are so many wonders though that are totally ignored by cherry picking religions, you can't ignore the need to record and pass on knowledge from milennia ago.. I hate that that is manipulated to exploit
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31-08-2016, 08:39 PM | #99 | |||
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31-08-2016, 09:22 PM | #100 | ||
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yes nothing to learn at all in , sounds like a mis-spent youth..those horrible sunday schools telling stories and raising money for their communities and singing songs about peace and love....theyll be sending missionaries out next to cloth and feed the starving millions...appalling....if only our kids had all started drink and drugs instead
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