[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Funny old thing I would look up what the immigration policy is that prevents Argentinian immigrants, before gobbing off about something you obviously know very little about.

lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

enlighten us all plzzz. go on...don't be vague.

Its a British Dependency(Overseas Territory), that means the Foreign Office of the United Kingdom are responsible for the immigratioon policy in line with European policies( well fancy that eh?).

Immigration is not run by the FI Government, though it does administer central government policies.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Its a British Dependency(Overseas Territory), that means the Foreign Office of the United Kingdom are responsible for the immigratioon policy in line with European policies( well fancy that eh?).

Immigration is not run by the FI Government, though it does administer central government policies.

so yur saying it's the UK government, not the local Malvinas Islander's policy that prevents it, umm, so what's yur point? You're just proving my point, which is that it's UK policy, not an ISlander's policy that is the problem...

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

Its my good deed for the day, either offering freindly info to prevent doughnuts showing themselves to be complete and utter balloon knots..... or helping old ladies cross busy roads

Originally Posted by Livia

They're three hundred miles away from Argentina. They just look close on a map of the world.

8000 miles from the UK.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

again, yu have nothing to say, just attacking me. Try adding something to the conversation on the TOPIC, i dare you.

As interesting as i am, i am NOT the topic here.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so yur saying it's the UK government, not the local Malvinas Islander's policy that prevents it, umm, so what's yur point? You're just proving my point, which is that it's UK policy, not an ISlander's policy that is the problem...

Please make your mind up as to whether the British Government is being racist by insisting that Argentinian citizens follow the same immigration policy as any other non EU citizen.

Or is racist just the new word you intend to throw around to all and sundry in each and every of your badly thought out inflammatory posts.

Answers on a postcard to someone who gives a flyer.......

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Please make your mind up as to whether the British Government is being racist by insisting that Argentinian citizens follow the same immigration policy as any other non EU citizen.

Or is racist just the new word you intend to throw around to all and sundry in each and every of your badly thought out inflammatory posts.

Answers on a postcard to someone who gives a flyer.......

Oh you don't give a "flyer" then why the hell are you wasting my time??? stop trying to be cute.

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Oh you don't give a "flyer" then why the hell are you wasting my time??? stop trying to be cute.

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

I don't think anyone disputed that, Argentina can do whatever they like, as long as they don't stage another illegal occupation of the Falklands.

They follow EU law due to being an overseas territory, the EU law isn't really an "opt out" sort of thing.

[fruit_cake]

I don't think having this on every border to the country is really helping the issue either

[lostalex]

This isn't even about just UK and Argentina anymore, This is about Europe thinking they are still colonial masters over all of The Americas. North America, South America, and the Caribbean, Europe should have NOTHING to say to us anymore.

The Western Hemisphere is FREE now, get OVER IT!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

Sorry where are these Malvinas you talk about?

You might think you are being awfully clever going with the Spanish name personally I think it make you look a bit foolish(intentionally mispelt).

Immigration policy for EU countries has been tucked and shaped by EU over the last few years- didnt you realise that? And yes we know the Falkland Islands is in the South Atlantic its one of those strange little anomylies that happens when we you have owned half the world.


Of course they can decide who they want to trade with, just as we can decide we dont want to trade with Argentina, we could also decide to stop giving the Aid packages we give, those arent given on a conditional agreement that they are nice to us, nor are they written in stone.

I wonder how they would feel if we just upsticks and pulled out all businesses and investments we have in Argentina, think we are currently about 6th on their list of overseas investors, should spoil thier economists year.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Sorry where are these Malvinas you talk about?

You might think you are being awfully clever going with the Spanish name personally I think it make you look a bit foolish(intentionally mispelt).

Immigration policy for EU countries has been tucked and shaped by EU over the last few years- didnt you realise that? And yes we know the Falkland Islands is in the South Atlantic its one of those strange little anomylies that happens when we you have owned half the world.


Of course they can decide who they want to trade with, just as we can decide we dont want to trade with Argentina, we could also decide to stop giving the Aid packages we give, those arent given on a conditional agreement that they are nice to us, nor are they written in stone.

I wonder how they would feel if we just upsticks and pulled out all businesses and investments we have in Argentina, think we are currently about 6th on their list of overseas investors, should spoil thier economists year.

as far as I'm aware, technically the 'Malvinas' is actually derived from a French name, it's not Spanish at all.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

as far as I'm aware, technically the 'Malvinas' is actually derived from a French name, it's not Spanish at all.

Hate to burst your balloon Fruit cake.

The word may have been derived from a French word originally, but it was changed and is now and has been in use in Spanish speaking countries for a long long time.

Technically that makes its a Spanish word.

Interestingly enough the islands were named after the sound in 1690. By an Englishman using the name Falkland. French Settler's werent there till around 1760.

Another interesting fact this time about languages, about 28% of the English language is derived from French words, does that mean we stop calling those affected words english ones?

Another interesting fact - Argentina didn't really exist in it's current state when the English first inhabited the islands, so we can't really use the fact that we were there longer, as any kind of argument.

If Argentinians were occupying an important island (in terms of potential resources) fairly close to the UK, then we'd be screaming blue murder.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

This isn't even about just UK and Argentina anymore, This is about Europe thinking they are still colonial masters over all of The Americas. North America, South America, and the Caribbean, Europe should have NOTHING to say to us anymore.

The Western Hemisphere is FREE now, get OVER IT!

The Falklands is in the Southern Hemisphere.

Silly boy the Eastern/Western hemisphere thing doesnt apply to us Brits, we made the damn lines up and are ballsy enough to straddle the divide between East and West. (The Prime Meridian which divides east from west in this man made constrict is in fact the Greenwhich meridian which flows through, yes thats right Greenwich London)

Go look it up, then away to your room wee man and study a little more, you have a nasty wee habit of engaging fingers before brain.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Another interesting fact - Argentina didn't really exist in it's current state when the English first inhabited the islands, so we can't really use the fact that we were there longer, as any kind of argument.

If Argentinians were occupying an important island (in terms of potential resources) fairly close to the UK, then we'd be screaming blue murder.

Whilst there are no Argentinians occupying any important islands up here, we do have other neighbours who we allow to run thier own countries, you know like France and Germany even the Spanish.

What part of self determination are people, like the Argentinian govenrment etc failing to understand.

It wasnt too hard to understand when they wanted it for themselves while living under the various dictators and juntas they have had to bear over the last hundred years or so.

Seems like lessons may need repeating.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

8000 miles from the UK.

I know that. However, I don't think that simply because it's closer to Argentina they should have dibs on it. The bottom line for me is that the Islanders themselves want to remain British. If they ever change their minds, Argentina and the UK should talk.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Another interesting fact - Argentina didn't really exist in it's current state when the English first inhabited the islands, so we can't really use the fact that we were there longer, as any kind of argument.

If Argentinians were occupying an important island (in terms of potential resources) fairly close to the UK, then we'd be screaming blue murder.

Interesting fact, Great Britain really didn't exist in it's current ENGLISH form for thousands of years, Britain was CEltic before the Germanic Anglo's came along, so give back Britain to the Celts too plzzz.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Interesting fact, Great Britain really didn't exist in it's current ENGLISH form for thousands of years, Britain was CEltic before the Germanic Anglo's came along, so give back Britain to the Celts too plzzz.

Err.. that post was actually arguing in favour of giving Argentina the Falklands

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Err.. that post was actually arguing in favour of giving Argentina the Falklands

it'sa almost 7am here, and i havn't slept, it's very unfair of you to expect me to still make sense.

[MTVN]

Fair enough, should go hit the hay

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fair enough, should go hit the hay

you speak the truth.

Originally Posted by Livia

I know that. However, I don't think that simply because it's closer to Argentina they should have dibs on it. The bottom line for me is that the Islanders themselves want to remain British. If they ever change their minds, Argentina and the UK should talk.

What do you think a British government would say about it if the roles were reversed. Why can't the islanders remain British, but the land be Argentinian?

Nationality is a different issue altogether. It is land that our empire claimed by sticking a flag in it, it doesn't make sense in the modern world.

If I go and live in Argentina now, I would still be British, there is no law that would make them have to change their nationality. The people are British, because they come from a long line of Brits, and they've maintained a "British" way of life. Ex-pats have communities around the world on foreign soil.

I personally think that a dual ownership agreement might be beneficial to us. Brazil support Argentina (as does most of S.America), and they are about to become a powerhouse on the world stage. If we're not careful, we'll be hounded out of there in 50 years with nothing to show for it.

Strike up a trade agreement, and work together.

Originally Posted by Shasown

Whilst there are no Argentinians occupying any important islands up here, we do have other neighbours who we allow to run thier own countries, you know like France and Germany even the Spanish.

What part of self determination are people, like the Argentinian govenrment etc failing to understand.

It wasnt too hard to understand when they wanted it for themselves while living under the various dictators and juntas they have had to bear over the last hundred years or so.

Seems like lessons may need repeating.

You have it a bit skewed. Moving people across the world to a different part of the globe, doesn't suddenly make that land British soil. Using the arguments of neighboring countries does your argument no favours either, as it's a bit nonsensical.

The Argentinians wanted self determination from their own fascist Junta, but they were still living in their own country at the time, they just wanted a change of politics.