[Samm]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well if you can remember graphic details times and dates as a 7 year old you must have a photographic memory,so I would expect him to remember the dinners but as explained in the last video posted his memory isn't so good

He remembers graphic details because they stand out as not ordinary, I can visually remember myself as a child remembering moments in my childhood that stand out to me because they were frightening and scary, where’s if you told me to remember a specific dinner I had when I was a child I probably won’t be able to

Halfway through the documentary, I do believe their stories, no one who hasn’t got bad intentions invites a young child to bed with them who they don’t know.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Samm

He remembers graphic details because they stand out as not ordinary, I can visually remember myself as a child remembering moments in my childhood that stand out to me because they were frightening and scary, where’s if you told me to remember a specific dinner I had when I was a child I probably won’t be able to

Halfway through the documentary, I do believe their stories, no one who hasn’t got bad intentions invites a young child to bed with them who they don’t know.

Yep and even Corey Feldman who testified that he didn't abuse him (which I believe btw as Corey is a victim of child sexual abuse and has no difficulty speaking about it) says he showed him porn at age 13...... that is saying that his relationships with kids were not pure and innocent at all

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But that makes sense though Kaz......I hate to bring it up, but with your past experience I am sure you will remember exactly what happened, (times dates, locations etc) to you....but then can you remember the times you had dinner around that time and who you were with??

Those types of things tend to be a bit more ingrained than day to day things surely?

Unless I'm misunderstanding this

I cant remember the date and time Annie , just that it was summer and I was 9, I can remember special occasion dinners as they were special,but day to day dinners no , which I think the other person probably meant, don't worry about bringing it up, luckily it was dealt with quite quickly because I have a big mouth

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? You remember every dinner you had since you were 10?

Yes actually I do.

Special dinners and treats yes.

I recall all good and special times, especially when its spent with people I wanted to be with.

At 10 and early teens to be at special meals and occasions with special relatives and friends.
All my schoolfriends parties and them at mine too.

Should I go on.
As my memory is actually red hot as to my life.
I can even remember my Grandmother taking me to my first lunch in a cafe at 4 years old and her lifting me onto a stool.

Yes, I can remember.
No need for me to make anything up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes actually I do.

Special dinners and treats yes.

I recall all good and special times, especially when its spent with people I wanted to be with.

At 10 and early teens to be at special meals and occasions with special relatives and friends.
All my schoolfriends parties and them at mine too.

Should I go on.
As my memory is actually red hot as to my life.
I can even remember my Grandmother taking me to my first lunch in a cafe at 4 years old and her lifting me onto a stool.

Yes, I can remember.
No need for me to make anything up.

Well considering how **** hot your memory is you should have no trouble convincing Kazanne then that yes infact, if people can remember every dinner they had since they were 10 they almost certainly will remember exact details of having been sexually abused

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well considering how **** hot your memory is you should have no trouble convincing Kazanne then that yes infact, if people can remember every dinner they had since they were 10 they almost certainly will remember exact details of having been sexually abused

Joey didn't say every dinner he said ,special dinners surely we all remember those, and yes I remember being abused but not the time and date.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He didn't say every dinner he said ,special dinners surely we all remember those

Since I was 10? Nope. But if you agree that people would remember special dinners then how on Earth can you argue that they wouldn't remember being abused? That makes zero sense unless you think eating food is more memorable than being abused?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Since I was 10? Nope. But if you agree that people would remember special dinners then how on Earth can you argue that they wouldn't remember being abused? That makes zero sense unless you think eating food is more memorable than being abused?

I never said they wouldn't remember,but dates and times,C'mon

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I never said they wouldn't remember,but dates and times,C'mon

I assume they got the dates by association with certain things/asking parents what dates they were there etc?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? You remember every dinner you had since you were 10?

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes actually I do.

..........do you have eidetic memory, Joey? Have you looked into it? Because if this is true; I can assure you, it isn't usual, it is extremely rare.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well considering how **** hot your memory is you should have no trouble convincing Kazanne then that yes infact, if people can remember every dinner they had since they were 10 they almost certainly will remember exact details of having been sexually abused

Why the blotting out.
I said red hot not a swear word.

I would hold the view people could remember dates and times they were abused.

However on such as dinners and occasions, they are good memories.
I'd doubt being abused is.

Actually I will do no convincing of Kazanne at all thank you.
Unlike myself she has been abused and has shared that, I think courageously.

I will show her the respect she should have as to that and not constantly just nitpick.
She knows how she felt, what she recalls and I'd guess they're at times painful memories.

She speaks from experience however.
I admire and respect her incredibly for even trying to guide us on the issue.

What I admire too re Kazanne, is her more respect for law and not willing to override the law on the strength only of 2, ( being generous to them here), apparent liars.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

..........do you have eidetic memory, Joey? Have you looked into it? Because if this is true; I can assure you, it isn't usual, it is extremely rare.

No, just a brilliant memory.
My family call me the encyclopedia of family matters.
I can recall in an instant, conversations, events, dates and times.
It's a massive bonus in my work too.

So I won't be looking into it.
No requirement for sarcasm.

I simply have a brilliant memory, pure and simple.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why the blotting out.
I said red hot not a swear word.

I would hold the view people could remember dates and times they were abused.

However on such as dinners and occasions, they are good memories.
I'd doubt being abused is.

Actually I will do no convincing of Kazanne at all thank you.
Unlike myself she has been abused and has shared that, I think courageously.

I will show her the respect she should have as to that and not constantly just nitpick.
She knows how she felt, what she recalls and I'd guess they're at times painful memories.

She speaks from experience however.
I admire and respect her incredibly for even trying to guide us on the issue.s.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why the blotting out.

I said red hot not a swear word.



I would hold the view people could remember dates and times they were abused.



However on such as dinners and occasions, they are good memories.

I'd doubt being abused is.



Actually I will do no convincing of Kazanne at all thank you.

Unlike myself she has been abused and has shared that, I think courageously.



I will show her the respect she should have as to that and not constantly just nitpick.

She knows how she felt, what she recalls and I'd guess they're at times painful memories.



She speaks from experience however.

I admire and respect her incredibly for even trying to guide us on the issue.



What I admire too re Kazanne, is her more respect for law and not willing to override the law on the strength only of 2, ( being generous to them here), apparent liars.

I wasn't talking about Kazannes personal experiences at all Joey and I find it very unfair and below the belt that you would insinuate that I was.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, just a brilliant memory.

My family call me the encyclopedia of family matters.

I can recall in an instant, conversations, events, dates and times.

It's a massive bonus in my work too.



So I won't be looking into it.

No requirement for sarcasm.



I simply have a brilliant memory, pure and simple.

It's not sarcasm; if you do have a memory that is capable of these things then you're very lucky but I do think it's worth pointing out that it's also very rare, and you probably shouldn't judge situations based on the idea that it's usual and that other people (such as MJ's nephew) are likely to be able to remember every single dinner party.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Joey didn't say every dinner he said ,special dinners surely we all remember those, and yes I remember being abused but not the time and date.

Especially if the dinner is a milestone with family members

[Vicky.]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/829005...er-and-author/

Name I haven't seen before in all of this, and not seeking cash either.

Michael Jackson called the 14-year-old his ‘Rubba Rubba’ boy and would grind on him in bed, it’s been claimed.

Author Michael Jacobshagen, now 35, has come forward to accuse the pop superstar of abuse and lift the lid on their bizarre two-decade relationship.

He met the King of Pop in Paris in 1995 and was invited on his European tour two years later where he infamously spent three weeks with the singer in a hotel suite.

And now as harrowing doc Leaving Neverland has aired claims of child sex abuse from two alleged victims, Jacobshagen has told how he too shared a bed with the star.

"When I slept in his bed, we wore just boxer shorts and he would put his arm around me and push his body to my body, like you would with a girlfriend,” Jacobshagen told the Sunday Mirror.

“He would put our bodies on each other and kiss me on the head and cheek. I woke many times and his hands were on me... one hand on the top of my legs and one hand around me."

Jacobshagen said the touching would become more intense when Michael was high on his medication.

“He’d pull me closer and be grabbing me more and kissing me more on the head and on the cheek, he would also stroke my hair," he claimed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not sarcasm; if you do have a memory that is capable of these things then you're very lucky but I do think it's worth pointing out that it's also very rare, and you probably shouldn't judge situations based on the idea that it's usual and that other people (such as MJ's nephew) are likely to be able to remember every single dinner party.

I think I'll judge things and what people say and how they act as I wish.
I don't need you or anyone telling me what I should or should not be doing.

As long as I'm not breaking rules or the law.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Name I haven't seen before in all of this, and not seeking cash either.

jacobshagen

well that name is abuse for starters

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think I'll judge things and what people say and how they act as I wish.
I don't need you or anyone telling me what I should or should not be doing.

As long as I'm not breaking rules or the law.

Obviously you're free to do what you want and you're free to continue to believe that most people can remember every dinner they've had with family / friends from decades in the past, I'm just saying... you're wrong and most people's memories don't work like that. But by all means, press on.

[Matthew.]

57 pages jesus christ

A lengthy discussion

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

57 pages jesus christ

A lengthy discussion

A good debate,mostly

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It might be "convenient" or for some reason amusing to you Marsh but it is also true; there is no "standard reaction" for victims of abuse or emotional trauma.

I never said it wasn't true. Sorry, you wasted your time trying to patronise me.

I said it's pointless spouting it as "evidence" as it's not very convincing evidence is it?

No matter their behaviour it could be because of childhood abuse. It could just as easily not. In the context of this discussion, us all not actually knowing any of the people involved in the whole affair, it's useless.

Obviously.

Edit - Oh and FYI, I wasn't saying it was "convenient" for victims of abuse, but rather convenient for the people twisting words in this thread.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Obviously you're free to do what you want and you're free to continue to believe that most people can remember every dinner they've had with family / friends from decades in the past, I'm just saying... you're wrong and most people's memories don't work like that. But by all means, press on.

Do you actually bother to read posts properly.

I said I could remember.
Not everyone.
I can't speak for others.

I also said I held the view people 'could' recall most or all.
Not that that was certain and that it was my view.

You are being rather annoying.
If you can only wrongly nitpick at posts and not use them in their full context.

Possibly, note I say possibly, the problem is yours not mine.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Do you actually bother to read posts properly.

I said I could remember.
Not everyone.
I can't speak for others.
.

Does your ability to remember things have anything at all to do with the Jackson case or statements made by his family or accusers? Surely the only reason you mentioned that you can remember the specifics of dinner parties, was to back up that claim that Jackson's nephew remembers the specifics of the dinner parties Wade Robson attended.

I was saying that - regardless OF YOUR abilities with memory - it's not very likely that Jackson's nephew does remember these details so clearly.