[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thanksgiving Day in 1987 is on Thursday, November 26



He had some free time I see...perhaps he went after all.

November 13, 1987 Melbourne Australia Olympic Park Stadium
November 20, 1987 Sydney Parramatta Stadium
November 21, 1987
November 27, 1987 Brisbane Brisbane Entertainment Centre
November 28, 1987

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thanksgiving Day in 1987 is on Thursday, November 26



He had some free time I see...perhaps he went after all.

C'mon now Parmy ,surely you have to admit those two at at least are guarded with the truth,whatever you think of MJ is your belief but some of this doesn't really add up .

[AnnieK]

This is going to sound sarcastic, but please believe me, it isn't but IF some irrefutable evidence came out to prove MJ did have sexual relationships with these or other boys, would you guys then condemn him or still believe, as Streisand obviously does, that his upbringing were to blame and so in some way his actions can be excused?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

C.mon now Parmy ,surely you have to admit those two at at least are guarded with the truth,whatever you think of MJ is your belief but some of this doesn't really add up .

I honestly believe it's because mj turned them into paedophiles as well..a bit like the lost Boys. MJ as the leader grooming all the outcasts like fagan.

And sorry m8 but I do honestly think they acted as a group together to entice and engage with many many hidden visitors to the ranch in the end once they became a little to old for michael.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

November 13, 1987 Melbourne Australia Olympic Park Stadium
November 20, 1987 Sydney Parramatta Stadium
November 21, 1987
November 27, 1987 Brisbane Brisbane Entertainment Centre
November 28, 1987

Plenty time to visit if he accepted the invitation, has that question been answered yet, wether michael accepted the invitation or declined it?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Plenty time to visit if he accepted the invitation, has that question been answered yet, wether michael accepted the invitation or declined it?

He was touring in Australia , Safechuck says MJ had thanksgiving dinner but he couldn't of if he was touring ,you saw the dates .

That's like saying someone spent Christmas with you but actually they were on holiday during the whole Christmas period .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He was touring in Australia , Safechuck says MJ had thanksgiving dinner but he couldn't of if he was touring ,you saw the dates .

That's like saying someone spent Christmas with you but actually they were on holiday during the whole Christmas period .

It just says he invited him, it doesn't say if he accepted or not...plus he could have flew back and forth in time...I doubt he would do that though so I am assuming mj just declined the invitation...I dunno but wasnt robson Australian? ...maybe in Michaels sick tiny mind he would have seen it as cheating.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It just says he invited him, it doesn't say if he accepted or not...plus he could have flew back and forth in time...I doubt he would do that though so I am assuming mj just declined the invitation...I dunno but wasnt robson Australian? ...maybe in Michaels sick tiny mind he would have seen it as cheating.

Inviting someone & them declining is different from him actually supposedly having thanksgiving with Safechuck when he was actually busy on tour in Australia at the time.

MJ was one of the most photographed & documented person , the timelines contradict.

And this isn't the only inconsistency from James .

And at some point MJ met wade & the family in Australia I think , Wade is a few years younger than James .

[Toy Soldier]

Not that anyone will be listening but again... Contradicting timeliness mean nothing. These are events from decades in the past and it's perfectly feasible that some of the exact dates and times (and even locations) would be misremembered.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Inviting someone & them declining is different from him actually supposedly having thanksgiving with Safechuck when he was actually busy on tour in Australia at the time.

MJ was one of the most photographed & documented person , the timelines contradict.

And this isn't the only inconsistency from James .

And at some point MJ met wade & the family in Australia I think , Wade is a few years younger than James .

All I can think if is darts. And james wade.

Where is the proof of Michael saying yes or no to the invitation?

[Nancy.]

Going back to the room above the Train Station where Safechuck claimed he had sex with MJ before the abuse stopped in 92, Here's the building permits for it dated Sept 93 - January 94.







I guess Safechuck must've been a time traveller.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not that anyone will be listening but again... Contradicting timeliness mean nothing. These are events from decades in the past and it's perfectly feasible that some of the exact dates and times (and even locations) would be misremembered.

We went through this on about page 4 or maybe earlier...I forgot to say then that my niece and I reinacted a picture of me sat feeding my niece at the xmas dinner table from toddler age in the first photo to God knows how many years later for the 2nd photo.


Can I remember the dates years..course not, but I know it was a memory I won't forget...and that's one I'm trying not to forget...you are spot on TS...and loved.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Going back to the room above the Train Station where Safechuck claimed he had sex with MJ before the abuse stopped in 92, Here's the building permits for it dated Sept 93 - January 94.







I guess Safechuck must've been a time traveller.

How old was he then nancy?

Michael could have been telling him about how he was so excited about making this special room...so I think it's very important to find out his age at the time.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How old was he then nancy?

Michael could have been telling him about how he was so excited about making this special room...so I think it's very important to find out his age at the time.

He would've been around 16 when the Station was completed in 94 and a little too old to be getting excited about steam trains and special rooms after travelling the world in private Jets with Michael, don't you think?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Going back to the room above the Train Station where Safechuck claimed he had sex with MJ before the abuse stopped in 92, Here's the building permits for it dated Sept 93 - January 94.







I guess Safechuck must've been a time traveller.

Apparently inconsistent timelines & contradictory dates doesn't matter Nancy .

As Wade & James were so traumatised they changed their stories a million times so we're all meant to accept it .

If James says MJ lost interest in him after 93 that makes no sense , as he's seen holding an umbrella for him aged 16 or something. And the train station was built after MJ "moved on " from James

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

He would've been around 16 when the Station was completed in 94 and a little too old to be getting excited about steam trains and special rooms after travelling the world in private Jets with Michael, don't you think?

16...far to old for michael. .


But that's where the abuse happened..nothing but a bunch of grooming paedophiles, unfortunately the kids doing the grooming then we're kids already groomed by Michael Jackson.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Apparently inconsistent timelines & contradictory dates doesn't matter Nancy.

As Wade & James were so traumatised they changed their stories a million times so we're all meant to accept it .

If James says MJ lost interest in him after 93 that makes no sense , as he's seen holding an umbrella for him aged 16 or something. And the train station was built after MJ "moved on " from James

Apparently so.

[parmnion]

I have swayed from thinking these 2 boys are innocent now...I think yes..they were innocent, then michael got his hands on them...them out of all the thousands of pics he would have been sent? Why them...to me that's a big question.

Why did michael chose them out of all the requests he must have had?

Is he just a really really unlucky guy that 3 of his closest friends that he chose out of thousands have turned out not to be nice little boys after all?


Is he, is he really that unlucky?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I have swayed from thinking these 2 boys are innocent now...I think yes..they were innocent, then michael got his hands on them...them out of all the thousands of pics he would have been sent? Why them...to me that's a big question.

Why did michael chose them out of all the requests he must have had?

Is he just a really really unlucky guy that 3 of his closest friends that he chose out of thousands have turned out not to be nice little boys after all?


Is he, is he really that unlucky?

Well the biggest MISTAKE was letting Wade , James , Gavin & Jordy into his life .



It wasn't about being unlucky , MJ sadly was too trusting and got taken advantage of .

If Peter Andre won the dance contest instead of Wade ,I wonder what Wade's mother would of done then .

If MJ was a serial molestor why has only 4 accused him with contradictory stories that are easily debunked with zero proof .
These accusations seem to be every 10 years as well .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Apparently so.

That sounds a lot like mocking to me .

Do you know anything about developmental psychology? Or trauma? Or just the normal formation of memory in general? It's perfectly feasible (if not likely) that they have muddled up the locations and exact dates of some of these incidents, because no one has a perfect recollection of their childhood in detail. E.g. The one about the train station, he's likely just mixing up his memory of an incident of abuse with another memory of being there at at later date.

Here's even a personal example;

I distinctly, clearly, in vivid detail remember being in the kitchen of my last house when I got home from work and my wife told me that my mum had died. I remember it in detail, down to the counter I was leaning against, the lighting, everything. Except I moved out of that house in January 2014, and my mum died in March 2014. The memory itls literally impossible and it must have been the kitchen of my current house; but I don't remember it that way no matter how hard I try.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well the biggest MISTAKE was letting Wade , James , Gavin & Jordy into his life .







It wasn't about being unlucky , MJ sadly was too trusting and got taken advantage of .



If Peter Andre won the dance contest instead of Wade ,I wonder what Wade's mother would of done then .



If MJ was a serial molestor why has only 4 accused him with contradictory stories that are easily debunked with zero proof .

These accusations seem to be every 10 years as well .

"Only" four .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well the biggest MISTAKE was letting Wade , James , Gavin & Jordy into his life .



It wasn't about being unlucky , MJ sadly was too trusting and got taken advantage of .

If Peter Andre won the dance contest instead of Wade ,I wonder what Wade's mother would of done then .

If MJ was a serial molestor why has only 4 accused him with contradictory stories that are easily debunked with zero proof .
These accusations seem to be every 10 years as well .

I think it's probably because each boy is telling a different story, but each boy are being judged as one..

MJ fans are so determined to dispel each one that they forget the fact that the four boys probably ended up aiding and abetting michael in the furthwr abuse of different boys..

Maybe now though they realise the guilt they have felt for doing that should be firmly pushed onto michael..I don't know though..

[GoldHeart]

Gavin Arvizo was proved a liar and was coerced by his mother who was an unstable con artist . She falsely accused JC penny of sexual harassment & her kids lied for her .

Evan chandler himself admitted he drugged his own son Jordy with a drug people thought wasa truth serum but it just made Jordy very suggestive.

previously Jordy denied MJ did anything innapropriate & same goes for Gavin but with Gavin he was bitter MJ didn't pay him attention anymore as he could see the family were using him . And with Chandler the father abused Jordy & he wanted to get money out of MJ .

Now 2 more accusers James & Wade previously sang Mj's praises and they saw him as a friend until they both hit financial troubles then all of a sudden MJ abused them .

[parmnion]

Evan chandler himself admitted he drugged his own son Jordy with a drug people thought wasa truth serum but it just made Jordy very suggestive.



I'm not surprised.

[parmnion]

Have we discussed jesus juice yet?


Here's a thought.....imagine living on a shirty life..then all of a sudden you are in Mj's bedroom...?