[Tom4784]

It's just your average Wombai-esque daily mail readers that like a good bitch and moan.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by \PJ/

This might be going a bit waywood but....Today on loosewomen they were doing an item on winter clothes and they had a man in just his boxers come on to model a hat and this show is on at 12:30 which is way before the watershed will that get any complaints? nope

Yeah it does seem there are different standards depending on the gender

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah it does seem there are different standards depending on the gender

I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.

Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.


You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.

That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Prezzie

It's just your average Wombai-esque daily mail readers that like a good bitch and moan.

I think I may have to revisit the Daily Mail if the general consensus is that only its readers would find Saturday night's cheap, embarrassing attempt at 'entertainment' appropriate for what is, in effect, a children's show. I'm so glad internet forums weren't around when I was in my late teens. I'd probably have spouted some awful populist ****e too.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vixen

I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.

Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.


You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.

That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.

True, it's just the poster on here who objected to it was mentioning that she didnt want her daughter talking about "how much of that womans arse they could see" so I thought the actual appearance may be a factor.

Just as an aside, you get performances every week on Strictly which are pretty raunchy with revealing outfits yet there's never a fuss over that

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

True, it's just the poster on here who objected to it was mentioning that she didnt want her daughter talking about "how much of that womans arse they could see" so I thought the actual appearance may be a factor.

Just as an aside, you get performances every week on Strictly which are pretty raunchy with revealing outfits yet there's never a fuss over that

Yeah, I think some people just look for things to be 'outraged' about sometimes...

[\PJ/]

Originally Posted by Vixen

I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.

Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.


You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.

That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.

But you could see his snake it was pratically bursting out, so it's ok for men, but not for women? and I think it's pathetic people complained.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by \PJ/

This might be going a bit waywood but....Today on loosewomen they were doing an item on winter clothes and they had a man in just his boxers come on to model a hat and this show is on at 12:30 which is way before the watershed will that get any complaints? nope

Originally Posted by Frost Bite

That would just be a man in his boxers, if he was having sexual contact with someone else, it would change the dynamics.

I think Frost Bite's response pretty much covers it, but there an important, if subtle, difference in terms of the way men and women react differently to visual stimulus and the intent and cycnicism behind the production. Someone walking on in a joking fashion in boxers is completely different. If he'd been suggestive and/or aggressively sexual or sexualised, I might feel differently. I n any event, I didn't see it, so can't really comment.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah it does seem there are different standards depending on the gender

Originally Posted by Vixen

I think its more the point of simulating sex rather than them being half dressed tbh.

Cheryl performed half dressed...no complaints were made. Most female stars wear next to nothing.

Myself and my daughter had almost exactly the same conversation the night Cheryl mimed around the stage in HER knickers. Don't see much difference, but the simulated sex did, as they say, put the tin hat on it.


You can hardly compare a man standing in his boxers to a woman in underwear practically dry humping a dancer.

That said, I have no problem at all with them doing whatever they please...and I think complaints about this are very over the top.

Originally Posted by MTVN

True, it's just the poster on here who objected to it was mentioning that she didnt want her daughter talking about "how much of that womans arse they could see" so I thought the actual appearance may be a factor.

Just as an aside, you get performances every week on Strictly which are pretty raunchy with revealing outfits yet there's never a fuss over that

Again, I don't watch Strictly Come Dancing, so I cannot comment, but my impression of ballroom dancing is that it's sensual rather than sexualised for effect. It's a very different thing.

More than anything, it's sad that women don't seem to believe that it's possible anymore to have a music career without playing the part of a prostitute. It's dangerous, women are being objectified and those of you who don't want to see this or decide to ignore it may well count the cost in the future.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by \PJ/

But you could see his snake it was pratically bursting out, so it's ok for men, but not for women? and I think it's pathetic people complained.

But was he grinding against someone else?

As I said, noone seemed to have an issue with Cheryls barely there outfit...as her dance routine wasnt quite as raunchy as Christinas and Rihannas...

[Vicky.]

I do have to wonder though, had it been someone like JLS instead...who get their kit off quite regularly and do some pretty suggestive dancing...would there still be an uproar over thing :/

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The complainants are just a tiny drop in the huge ocean of X Factor viewers who had no problem with the performances. Nothing will come of this

You would be surprised by how eager some companies are to fall over themselves appeasing a populist (but not necessarily popular) cause, especially if its for showing something like a gay couple. One or two Daily Mail readers is enough for them to take it off air. Such is pathologically risk-averse nature of big business.

Add a draconian regulator like Ofcom into the mix and there's a pretty good chance something will happen.

[\PJ/]

Exactly Vicky there always getting naked, i sound like i have a problem with all this but i don't im just proving if we are going to start being picky then others will be put up for discussion to.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Vixen

I do have to wonder though, had it been someone like JLS instead...who get their kit off quite regularly and do some pretty suggestive dancing...would there still be an uproar over thing :/

Seriously, now? At their raunchiest, JLS look like the Walton Brothers beside what was going on Saturday night.
And, as I said above, of course there's a difference. Men are only objectified in a joking manner because of their superior physical strength. The reality of the objectification of women sexually is rape, domestic violence and, at the milder end, unchecked misogyny.

[\PJ/]

Well we all know which member complained on Saturday night don't we....

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Seriously, now? At their raunchiest, JLS look like the Walton Brothers beside what was going on Saturday night.
And, as I said above, of course there's a difference. Men are only objectified in a joking manner because of their superior physical strength. The reality of the objectification of women sexually is rape, domestic violence and, at the milder end, unchecked misogyny.

Yes seriously. I see no difference.

Except one lot is male, the other female.

Cant have a problem with half naked ladies gyrating round the stage if you dont have the same problem with males doing the same thing. And JLS was just an example I plucked out of mid air tbh...

The bolded part made me giggle too. Who knew such double standards/sexism were still alive today

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by \PJ/

Well we all know which member complained on Saturday night don't we....

No I didn't *******ing complain - nor did I vote, I've enough to be doing with my time and my money. But the sh*** justifications for these cheap, dangerous crap really pisses me off. Ye're like a bunch of "we're so and 'current' and young and smart that you can't recognise the manipulation even as it's waltzing up your chests and sh***ing on your faces.

[Jamietwo]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

No I didn't *******ing complain - nor did I vote, I've enough to be doing with my time and my money. But the sh*** justifications for these cheap, dangerous crap really pisses me off. Ye're like a bunch of "we're so and 'current' and young and smart that you can't recognise the manipulation even as it's waltzing up your chests and sh***ing on your faces.

wow someones got sand in their vagina! chill out love! have you ever seen a ballet? camel toes and bulges and simulated sex all over the shop. I thought rhiana looked really good everything was very well covered and she had this cute little belt thing with tassles which moved about. can't believe ofcom got a 1000 complaints over that.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jamietwo

wow someones got sand in their vagina! chill out love!

[\PJ/]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

No I didn't *******ing complain - nor did I vote, I've enough to be doing with my time and my money. But the sh*** justifications for these cheap, dangerous crap really pisses me off. Ye're like a bunch of "we're so and 'current' and young and smart that you can't recognise the manipulation even as it's waltzing up your chests and sh***ing on your faces.

oh dear now that is a work of art.

[Niamh.]

my 6 year old son did cover his eyes and say oh yuck when Christina was on but I don't think it was any worse than some music videos

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

my 6 year old son did cover his eyes and say oh yuck when Christina was on but I don't think it was any worse than some music videos

Ahaha I misread that as your 16 year old son.

Was going to say...you should be worried

[Legend killer]

Just some old hags getting vexed becuase there man is having a good wank over the performances in the next room. They should have actually been more raunchy maybe they could have made out or something

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Jamietwo

wow someones got sand in their vagina! chill out love! have you ever seen a ballet? camel toes and bulges and simulated sex all over the shop. I thought rhiana looked really good everything was very well covered and she had this cute little belt thing with tassles which moved about. can't believe ofcom got a 1000 complaints over that.

It was 2,000 anyway. Check out my post history, love. I never get this pissed off about the X Factor, I really couldn't give a stuff; quick word with the girls and they laughed through the rest of the, ahem, show. What pisses me off is the mindless "chill out, take a chill pill, who cares you old prude, mob mentality bull****e that passes for an opinion on here, love.
Oh, and the offensive personal comments that pass for debate. You're hilarious, aren't you? You're also wrong.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Ahaha I misread that as your 16 year old son.

Was going to say...you should be worried

I'm not that old yet

and yeah, he does cover his eyes when he sees people kiss too so I wasn't that concerned!

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

Just some old hags getting vexed becuase there man is having a good wank over the performances in the next room. They should have actually been more raunchy maybe they could have made out or something

You know what? I usually completely agree with your posts, so it's with regret that I say - ******* RIGHT OFF. This is clearly true of some of those who complain once a month.
It's probably not about p***ed off parents who have enough sh*** to contend with given what passes for popular culture these days.