[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think the issues of race and sexuality are very similar and comparable, you don't choose the colour of your skin and you can't choose your sexuality, both are just simply apart of who you are.

I would agree with this

but

there are still people who think you can chose your sexuality (quite a daft opinion really..) whilst the colour of your skin is something I think is pretty much universally accepted that you cant choose, short of doing a michael jackson and getting bleached, or excessive sunbed use to turn a nice shade of satsuma

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

Not that it's any of your business, but I'm actually part of a peer support group in which we get allocated somebody who is struggling in their lives and we meet up with them once a week just to act as a friend to them, and the girl I've been meeting with for 6 months now, Yasmin, was bullied out of school after she was outed as bisexual by her best friend.

And I've also been part of The Human Rights Group within my high school which has provided support for people who are struggling with any type of discrimination, homophobia included, but away from support it was more about spreading awareness on all issues to do with human rights, from genocide in Tibet, to the ill treatment in North Korea, to issues like homophobia and racism in our own country.

So in short, yes.

Good. I'm glad to see you are actually doing something for the cause and not just saying you are.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a line you should not cross.

[M X]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Good. I'm glad to see you are actually doing something for the cause and not just saying you are.

Thanks.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a line you should not cross.

I agree with that too and I do feel he did cross a line/s with his sort of twisted justification of his view on the issue.

[qwerty42]

What's him being black got to do with it?

his point was he didn't think its natural.

Human nature is to be attracted to opposite sex, otherwise we wouldn't exist, bringing his skin colour into it makes no sense. Its like saying its not natural him being black.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think the issues of race and sexuality are very similar and comparable, you don't choose the colour of your skin and you can't choose your sexuality, both are just simply apart of who you are.

Im going to pull you on one part of what you say ,i agree no one can choose the colour of their skin (if they could I would be the same colour as Diana Ross ) but i do not believe ALL gay people are born gay ,I have several gay friends who have married,had children THEN come out as gay ,they were not born that way, thats not saying EVERY gay person is like them ,but it makes the point not EVERYONE is born guy/straight

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

You make it sound like it was just an opinion on what weather he likes

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

so following your train of logic its ok for evander to bring disability and homosexuality into the same sentence?

It's two different things, people aren't defined by their disabilities but their lineage and sexuality can and will impact who they are as people. A disability is a hurdle, Race and Sexuality is not.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a line you should not cross.

Who draws that line ?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

coming from a country that had black people as slaves, he is a hypocrite. his opinions on gay people is no better than the white people who believed black people to be an inferior race.

he didnt sya inferior and your comparism is a disgraceful embarassment...are th egangs of klu klux klan hunting down and murdering vast numbers fo gay people? is he advocating this? is he suggesting gay people dont get served in shops and restaurants across the country? no. do gay people not have civil rights in this nation?? yes of course they do and he isnt suggesting they shouldnt either.

your moral relativism is a dangerous joke. youll be comparing this to apartheid in south africa next lol ....Im embarassed for you

[M X]

Originally Posted by qwerty42

What's him being black got to do with it?

his point was he didn't think its natural.

Human nature is to be attracted to opposite sex, otherwise we wouldn't exist, bringing his skin colour into it makes no sense. Its like saying its not natural him being black.

Who says that it is human nature to be attracted to opposite sex? That's just the kind of ignorant bull**** you've been brainwashed with since you were born.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

You make it sound like it was just an opinion on what weather he likes

Love it or loath it,its his opinion

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im going to pull you on one part of what you say ,i agree no one can choose the colour of their skin (if they could I would be the same colour as Diana Ross ) but i do not believe ALL gay people are born gay ,I have several guy friends who have married,had children THEN come out as gay ,they were not born that way, thats not saying EVERY gay person is like them ,but it makes the point not EVERYONE is born guy/straight

Some people just take longer to accept and realize their sexuality, that's all.

[Kazanne]

Seems people cannot say anything anymore as someone will always be offended,what happened to freedom of speech? people need to accept not everyone has the same views on things,Is it also wrong to call people ginger,four eyes.fatty,spotty, isn't that as offensive to the people concerned but that's seems to be ok by everyone.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Love it or loath it,its his opinion

an opinion that's proven wrong and deserves to be criticised

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's two different things, people aren't defined by their disabilities but their lineage and sexuality can and will impact who they are as people. A disability is a hurdle, Race and Sexuality is not.

its all apples and oranges....but youre totally contardicting yourself....all 3 are seperate subjects with a whole bunch of seperate issues. yoru moral relativism here is dangerous nonsense. you and others get offended when he discusses disability and homosexuality issues in the same sentence , but its fine for you to mention and compare racism and homophobia and the sufferings of black americans? total complete and utter double standards on yoru part. this underlines why its wrong for us to follow a totalitarian path of endless laws banning all form of discussion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Some people just take longer to accept and realize their sexuality, that's all.

millions wont accept it without debate and discussion which you want outlawed.? mindless

[Benjamin]

I have to say this convo between Luisa and Evander has probably done more for CBB than anything else in recent years.

[Kazanne]

Well Im off to bed ,but this has been a good thread Ben ,very enlightening.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im going to pull you on one part of what you say ,i agree no one can choose the colour of their skin (if they could I would be the same colour as Diana Ross ) but i do not believe ALL gay people are born gay ,I have several guy friends who have married,had children THEN come out as gay ,they were not born that way, thats not saying EVERY gay person is like them ,but it makes the point not EVERYONE is born guy/straight

Repressing your sexuality doesn't change it. You can't choose to be straight just like you can't choose to be gay.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Lets stick to the debate everyone or the thread will get locked.

...Well, coming to the thread late and only having read the first and last page Ben, i'm not quite sure what anyone has said wrong this time?...but by the heated last few posts...it really does let me know that i'm back on tibbs! lol.

...As to your original question?...Well tbh, I cannot for the life of me fathom out just what Evander did or said wrong????
He is obviously of the opinion that if 'Homosexuality' could be cured, ...just like other 'physical discrepancies' [leg alignment issues, was his example] then in his view, they ought to be attended to!
Well!...what's wrong with that??...nothing if you ask me!...I have several homosexual grand-kids and one great-granddaughter that I couldn't possibly love any more than I already do!...I would have loved them to have had the opportunity to have had the same life as the rest of us!
No matter how pc you would like me to be....I will never make myself believe that being gay is what nature intended, and i'm of the firm opinion that no-one would have ever chosen to be gay if they had the choice before being born.
...But if by some miracle we had come up with some wonder-drug that gave a teenager the choice?...and my grandkids chose to remain gay...then so be it!...So long as it was their choice and not a bow to some weird pc conformity...and they were happy...then I would be just as happy as they were!!

Evander has said nothing wrong!


Cheers.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Some people just take longer to accept and realize their sexuality, that's all.

I do think sometimes its a choice. Rarely, but sometimes.

Eg. I had a 'friend' (using that term loosely, didnt like her but she was alwas there ) who always slept about with guys, had boyfriends all her life, told everyone she was 'bored' of blokes, got a woman, then after they split 4 months later went back to guys and has never looked twice at a woman since.

Some would say that means shes bi. But I think she just wanted a change/to shock people

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

in all honesty its extremely sad that a black American boxing champion can be so narrow minded, to the fact that gay people don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality in the same way a person does not get to choose the color of their skin.

If he has been brought up in a Religion that takes the Bible literally,despite the fact that he has travelled the world,then these views will be ingrained in him,not his fault,imo! That he would become enlightened after a few days in the UK is very unlikely?!? Also he's been slapped around the head all his life,so I'm guessing he might have some sort of brain damage? Not an excuse for his remarks,but he's probably easily led by his Pastor!?!

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by the truth

millions wont accept it without debate and discussion which you want outlawed.? mindless

Where did I say i felt it needed to be 'outlawed'?

I think it's very healthy to debate on subjects like this. I just very strongly disagree with his opinion that being homosexual is like being handicapped.