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King Gizzard · 17-03-2014, 03:16 PM

You do wonder why no one ever really gets shot, no amount of intelligence/policing/security can stop some person who has a gun shooting a high figure at some point in a day

Nedusa · 17-03-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

The USA President
is on all Live Media.

He is off to Europe next week worried about what Russia will do next

For feck sake sort out you own mess in USA
Do not fly out here - You fecking fool

http://news.sky.com/story/1227136/ob...ions-on-russia

Let's cut to the chase - short and sweet.

1. The Obama administration's "strategic" gambit to subcontract the State Department's "Khaganate of Nulands" to extricate Ukraine from the Russian sphere of influence - and ultimately annex it to NATO - by instrumentalizing a coalition of willing neo-nazis and fascists with a central bank veneer (prime minister "Yats"), is in utter shambles.

2. Moscow's counterpunch was to prevent in Crimea - as intercepted by Russian intelligence - a planned replay of the putsch in Kiev. The referendum in Crimea - 85% of turnout, roughly 93% voting for re-joining Russia, according to exit polls - is a done deal, as much as the oh-so-democratic European Union (EU) keeps threatening to punish people in Crimea for exercising their basic democratic rights. (By the way, when the US got
Kosovo to secede from Serbia, Serbians were offered no referendum).

3. The main rationale for the whole US "strategic" advance - to have their proxies, the regime changers in Kiev, cancel the agreement for the Russian naval base in Sevastopol - is up in smoke. Moscow remains present in the Black Sea and with full access to the Eastern Mediterranean.

And the rest is blah blah blah.

arista · 17-03-2014, 04:23 PM

"is in utter shambles."

Bang On Right

Z · 17-03-2014, 06:34 PM

Fantastic post Nedusa, a concise, brilliant explanation of exactly what has happened here.

lostalex · 17-03-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo

92%

now **** off America

Sadam had 100%, so what?

Livia · 17-03-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Z

Fantastic post Nedusa, a concise, brilliant explanation of exactly what has happened here.

It is a brilliant explanation. Pepe Escobar actually wrote it. Read the full article here:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central...01-170314.html

Nedusa · 17-03-2014, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

It is a brilliant explanation. Pepe Escobar actually wrote it. Read the full article here:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central...01-170314.html

I was of course quoting from Pepe Escobars article published in the Asia Times today.Glad I could be of service and bring his words to the widest audience.

Thank you so much for pointing that out...

lostalex · 17-03-2014, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

I was of course quoting from Pepe Escobars article published in the Asia Times today.Glad I could be of service and bring his words to the widest audience.

Thank you so much for pointing that out...

so why didn't you link to your source, or even mention the fact that you were directly quoting an article?

you got called out. how embarrassing.

Livia · 18-03-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

I was of course quoting from Pepe Escobars article published in the Asia Times today.Glad I could be of service and bring his words to the widest audience.

Thank you so much for pointing that out...

A little late to be crediting the actual author now, I think.

lostalex · 18-03-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

A little late to be crediting the actual author now, I think.

she had more to say about you earlier Livia, not very nice things. I guess she has friends in high places though, cause she had it erased before you got here. hmmm.

I defended you, and she got my reply deleted too.

would the mod who deleted those posts care to explain that?

Livia · 18-03-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

she had more to say about you earlier Livia, not very nice things. I guess she has friends in high places though, cause she had it erased before you got here. hmmm.

I defended you, and she got my reply deleted too.

would the mod who deleted those posts care to explain that?

Thanks Alex. I can understand. It's humiliating to be caught out like that I guess.

Nedusa · 18-03-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

A little late to be crediting the actual author now, I think.

You should have read my earlier post which was unfortunately deleted by the Mods, cos I'd really loved you to have read it. Just about sums you up.

I'm glad Alex read it maybe he can enlighten you.

I admit I forgot to mention I was using a quote...OK ..But I sense a certain zeal on your part in the way you pointed that out to everyone.

Not nice....a bit nasty in fact ????

lostalex · 18-03-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Thanks Alex. I can understand. It's humiliating to be caught out like that I guess.

definitely humiliating, especially when she was so condescending in the way she presented it, as if anyone who didn;t agree with the Putin perspective must be stupid to not understand why it's okay for Russia to send troops into a sovereign nation, and then hold a referendum where the only 2 option on the ballot were "do you want to be part of Russia", or "do you want to leave the Ukraine".

But i guess maybe she doesn't understand the history of the soviet union, the history of Russia completely dominating eastern Europe after ww2, because as America marches across Europe to free the people from the west, Russia marches across Europe planting Russian flags and claiming new territory from the east. If America hadn't dropped the bombs on Japan, Japan itself would be a soviet republic.

Russia didn't free anyone in ww2, they were just planting flags. they just replaced the swastikas with the hammer and sickle... Russia never liberated a soul during ww2.

lostalex · 18-03-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

You should have read my earlier post which was unfortunately deleted by the Mods, cos I'd really loved you to have read it. Just about sums you up.

I'm glad Alex read it maybe he can enlighten you.

I admit I forgot to mention I was using a quote...OK ..But I sense a certain zeal on your part in the way you pointed that out to everyone.

Not nice....a bit nasty in fact ????

yes you were certainly saying nasty things about Livia earlier, how did you get the mods to delete it, and my response to it? you obviously have a mod that's willing to do your bidding. who is this mod that deleted it for you? will you say? I'd like to know which mod deleted my posts without ever contacting me or questioning it, they just deleted it because you asked.

Livia · 18-03-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

definitely humiliating, especially when she was so condescending in the way she presented it, as if anyone who didn;t agree with the Putin perspective must be stupid to not understand why it's okay for Russia to send troops into a sovereign nation, and then hold a referendum where the only 2 option on the ballot were "do you want to be part of Russia", or "do you want to leave the Ukraine".

But i guess maybe she doesn't understand the history of the soviet union, the history of Russia completely dominating eastern Europe after ww2, because as America marches across Europe to free the people from the west, Russia marches across Europe planting Russian flags and claiming new territory from the east. If America hadn't dropped the bombs on Japan, Japan itself would be a soviet republic.

Russia didn't free anyone in ww2, they were just planting flags. they just replaced the swastikas with the hammer and sickle... Russia never liberated a soul during ww2.

Got to agree with a lot of that. People always quote Hitler as being the biggest tyrant of the 20th Century and forget how many people Stalin murdered.

Livia · 18-03-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

yes you were certainly saying nasty things about Livia earlier, how did you get the mods to delete it, and my response to it? you obviously have a mod that's willing to do your bidding. who is this mod that deleted it for you? will you say? I'd like to know which mod deleted my posts without ever contacting me or questioning it, they just deleted it because you asked.

I'm sure the mods were just trying to keep the peace, Alex.

lostalex · 18-03-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sure the mods were just trying to keep the peace, Alex.

"the peace" is not always fair, unfortunately.

Nedusa · 18-03-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

definitely humiliating, especially when she was so condescending in the way she presented it, as if anyone who didn;t agree with the Putin perspective must be stupid to not understand why it's okay for Russia to send troops into a sovereign nation, and then hold a referendum where the only 2 option on the ballot were "do you want to be part of Russia", or "do you want to leave the Ukraine".

But i guess maybe she doesn't understand the history of the soviet union, the history of Russia completely dominating eastern Europe after ww2, because as America marches across Europe to free the people from the west, Russia marches across Europe planting Russian flags and claiming new territory.

Russia didn't free anyone in ww2, they were just planting flags. they just replaced the swastikas with hammer and sickles...

Yes I agree I was a bit humiliated but thats my fault I guess...I must remember in future to always credit the Author when I quote parts of their work.

And I do understand Russian History quite well but my point of view is my point of view and this is after all the place to debate these things.

Finally Alex lets not fall out over this as it seems I already have enough posters on here that are out of favour with me at the moment.

MTVN · 18-03-2014, 09:33 AM

Umm no Nedusa did not ask for her post to be deleted, Nedusa could have deleted her own post if that's what they wanted. It's the Mods job to delete posts that could be potentially offensive or lead to an argument. It's funny how whenever your posts get deleted Alex you think you're being prosecuted, when someone else's posts get deleted you think they've asked for it and the Mods have done it as a favour?

lostalex · 18-03-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Umm no Nedusa did not ask for her post to be deleted, Nedusa could have deleted her own post if that's what they wanted. It's the Mods job to delete posts that could be potentially offensive or lead to an argument. It's funny how whenever your posts get deleted Alex you think you're being prosecuted, when someone else's posts get deleted you think they've asked for it and the Mods have done it as a favour?

but the post wasn't even about me, it was about Livia, so why did you delete a post that was offensive about Livia before she could even see it? Nedusa said messed up things about Livia, and i defended Livia, and then you deleted the whole thing, and Livia is now not able to see the messed up things Nedusa said about her.

you should have left the post, and let Livia respond appropriately. ou are ASUMMING that Livia would have what? you think livia would have broken the rules when she saw it? why would you censor it before livia would see it? Livia is a long time member who knows how to respond appropriately
so i don't know why you wouldn't let Livia see what was being said about her behind her back.

Livia · 18-03-2014, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

but the post wasn't even about me, it was about Livia, so why did you delete a post that was offensive about Livia before she could even see it? Nedusa said messed up things about Livia, and i defended Livia, and then you deleted the whole thing, and Livia is now not able to see the messed up things Nedusa said about her.

Alex, I'm not bothered, truly. Thanks for defending me but I'm not interested in seeing the posts. Let us let it go now.