[arista]

[Ukraine: a General reportedly among
dead as Pro Russian rebels down helicopter
Kiev escalates effort to retake Donbass region
as rebel battalion seizes government building
for Donetsk People's Republic]


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...sition-donbass


14 killed

The Pro Russians got lucky

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by arista

[Ukraine: a General reportedly among
dead as Pro Russian rebels down helicopter
Kiev escalates effort to retake Donbass region
as rebel battalion seizes government building
for Donetsk People's Republic]


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...sition-donbass


14 killed

The Pro Russians got lucky

Yes, and the more sophisticated weapons they get from Russia the luckier they will get.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Yes, and the more sophisticated weapons they get from Russia the luckier they will get.

Yes True

[arista]

[Pro-Russian separatists have
shot down an army transport plane
in eastern Ukraine, killing 49 servicemen
and dealing a massive blow to the
campaign to defeat the rebels.]




http://news.sky.com/story/1282045/uk...by-separatists

Civil War

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by arista

[Pro-Russian separatists have
shot down an army transport plane
in eastern Ukraine, killing 49 servicemen
and dealing a massive blow to the
campaign to defeat the rebels.]




http://news.sky.com/story/1282045/uk...by-separatists

Civil War

Without massive assistance from the Western powers Ukraine will not re-establish total control over the eastern side of Ukraine.

The Pro Russian fighters are being supplied with an almost endless amount of sophisticated weaponry and will win a war of attrition.

New Ukrainian President should stop these assaults on eastern cities and try and engage in constructive dialogue.

[arista]

They complain that Russia sends in even more Covert Troops
but America just says increase Sanctions.
Russia can also block lots more USA imports
It works both ways

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

They complain that Russia sends in even more Covert Troops
but America just says increase Sanctions.
Russia can also block lots more USA imports
It works both ways

you don't even make any sense, this is a civil war. it should have nothing to do with Russia or the USA. This is for the Ukraine government to sort out.

Russia has no business interfering at all. Why the **** are they sending in troops to another sovereign country. if the US invaded Mexico everyone would be losing their ****.

Russia has just INVADED UKARAINE> and NATO now as an obligation to protect Europe by responding.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you don't even make any sense, this is a civil war. it should have nothing to do with Russia or the USA. This is for the Ukraine government to sort out.

Russia has no business interfering at all. Why the **** are they sending in troops to another sovereign country. if the US invaded Mexico everyone would be losing their ****.

Russia has just INVADED UKARAINE> and NATO now as an obligation to protect Europe by responding.

They are scared

Putin can not be Stopped

[MTVN]

Peace talks now being held in Minsk between Kiev and Rebel leaders, looks like Vlad may have saved the day with his seven step peace plan

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Peace talks now being held in Minsk between Kiev and Rebel leaders, looks like Vlad may have saved the day with his seven step peace plan

No,Putin says this to try and look diplomatic,all the while he's sending troops and sophisticated anti air weaponary along with tanks over to fight against the Ukrainian army.
Ukraine want to join Nato which Putin will never let happen as it would be a huge threat to him,The last thing he wants is more Nato countries popping up on his borders.This won't end while Ukraine is alligned with the west,Russia will not let it.
The reason Russia sent its soldiers in to take Crimea was that the former president who was ousted was pro-Russian and Putin had him in his palm exactly where he wanted him.Now a pro western government is in power Putin needs to destabalise Ukraine and keep it that way until he gets another leader like the last,Which is'nt going to happen.This won't end no matter how many cease fires they have or peace deals.

[arista]

Yes Peace Plan

But Putin still wants his sections

But if they stop fighting - that will be good
time will tell


http://news.sky.com/story/1330813/uk...gree-ceasefire

[JoshBB]

They could seperate it into East & West Ukraine and let people decide which half they want to live on, easy as that tbh

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

They could seperate it into East & West Ukraine and let people decide which half they want to live on, easy as that tbh

But Ukraine says no to anything like that.

[the truth]

nato summit seemed to go swimmingly, they all looked well chilled at celtic manor and cardiff castle....deal announced on the golf course, for ukraine cease fire and nato alliance action plan involving some heavy artillery.....lets hope it actually helps find a peaceful solution....im afriad vlad needs to accept the USSR is no more and ukraine isnt his little play thing any more

[lostalex]

and Russia keeps saying the same thing, "we deny everything, prove it!" lol

Obama should adopt this strategy when we bomb the **** out of the Kremlin.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

They could seperate it into East & West Ukraine and let people decide which half they want to live on, easy as that tbh

yea, because that worked soooo well in Germany 50 years ago....

they should definitely build a wall between east and west too, right?

[Calderyon]

Putin allegedly said in a secret telephone call to Ukrainian prime minister (?) that he could invade and conquer the capitals of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in just two days, if he wanted to.

I think he also said in another call that he could invade Kiev in just two weeks.

Spoken like a true dictator, isn´t he. And i bet NATO liked that leaked comment.

[Calderyon]

And now Putin considers on getting Russia rid of Internet. I guess he wants Russia to be North Korea then.

[Novo]

CAIRNS—Russian President Vladimir Putin is set to take part in a summit of world leaders in Australia in November, despite ongoing tensions between Russia and the West over the crisis in Ukraine.

The Australian government, which currently holds the presidency of the Group of 20 industrial and developing nations, said it received "emphatic" approval from the member countries to extend an invitation to Russia.

"It isn't Australia's decision, it is a decision taken by all the members of the G-20," said Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey at the start of a meeting between the Group's finance ministers in Cairns, a city in Australia's northeast. "[Russia's] a member of the G-20, and we expect that they will attend the G-20 meeting," he added.

Looks like he will be enjoying some well deserved sunshine in Brisbane

[MTVN]

Speaking at a symposium near the Brandenburg Gate yesterday morning, former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev warned that the world was “on the brink of a new cold war” and strongly criticised the west for having sown the seeds of the current crisis by mishandling the fallout from the collapse of the iron curtain.

“Instead of building new mechanisms and institutions of European security and pursuing a major demilitarisation of European politics … the west, and particularly the United States, declared victory in the cold war,” said the man behind the Soviet Union’s glasnost and perestroika reforms.

“Euphoria and triumphalism went to the heads of western leaders. Taking advantage of Russia’s weakening and the lack of a counterweight, they claimed monopoly leadership and domination in the world.”

The enlargement of Nato, Kosovo, missile defence plans and wars in the Middle East had led to a “collapse of trust”, said Gorbachev, now 83. “To put it metaphorically, a blister has now turned into a bloody, festering wound.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...th-anniversary

He's spot on, stupid how the narrative that the West 'won' the cold war has become so accepted