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14-10-2014, 01:40 PM | #26 | |||
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Well, from the sounds of that article you posted regarding this case, the guy that she'd actually met while out wasn't convicted of rape at all. That case doesn't sound like a typical drunk girl gets drunk and regrets sex the next morning type either
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14-10-2014, 01:44 PM | #27 | |||
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The vast majority of men know that to rape a woman in any circumstances is wrong. But rape has been going on since humans have been populating the earth, and you're not going to stop it by saying that a woman shouldn't have to take responsibility for herself. It's not like I'm saying men should be given carte blanche to rape a woman, but I've seen young women both on TV and in reality, pissed, sitting on the kerb, skirt up round their waist, totally insensible to anything that's going on around her. What a state to get into... She wouldn't know whether she was giving her consent or not... until the next morning when she's in charge of her own mind again. In my opinion, if you're drunk beyond knowing what you're doing, then you are deliberately putting yourself at risk. That's not to say a man should be able to rape you... just that, if he says you gave consent, how do you know he's wrong? If a sober woman doesn't give consent... that's a whole different story.
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14-10-2014, 01:55 PM | #28 | |||
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In the specific case that Judy commented on yes the girl said she can't remember what happened but it sounds like she may have been drugged, and the court must have thought so too considering they jailed this footballer for 5 years after hearing the evidence
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14-10-2014, 02:18 PM | #29 | |||
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Wrecks that my tits that people have mysteriously forgotten that Mike Tyson was convicted of raping a girl back in 92 but now everyone loves him
If i was at player at Sheffield Utd i know i wouldn't want a rapist in the same dressing room as me. absolute muck.
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14-10-2014, 02:19 PM | #30 | |||
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14-10-2014, 02:23 PM | #31 | |||
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Mike Tyson was convicted of raping Desiree Washington in 1992 after she willingly accompanied him back to his hotel room at 3am. I'm not sure what she imagines she was going back there to do at that time. She also had a history of rape accusations, and she made a packet from the case, which I'm sure salved her hurt somewhat.
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14-10-2014, 02:26 PM | #32 | |||
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What message? That if you're drunk when you get raped the guy who raped you shouldn't lose his job? cos that's what Judy was saying...
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14-10-2014, 02:26 PM | #33 | ||
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Livia has a valid point. Is all drunk sex, that is both parties are drunk, considered rape because neither, or the female which is always the case, was intoxicated so couldn't give consent? This is a big issue here at my college but I mean if you willingly go out to get blackout drunk you should know that there will be consequences. It's annoyed me when someone said "don't leave your drunk friends to wander about by themselves". Friends are not other friends keepers. Adults should be able to take care of themselves without needing others to clean up their messes.
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14-10-2014, 02:28 PM | #34 | |||
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What Judy is saying is what she's saying. What I'm saying is, don't get so drunk you might get raped. There are bad people out there so take some responsibility.
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14-10-2014, 02:31 PM | #35 | |||
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Sounds to me like his friend had sex with her and she was so drunk she had passed out and the friend sent the dirty rapist a text to come get some.
Rape doesn't have to be a violent thing, would Judy or anyone else defending him still defend him if it was their daughter in the drunk girls position? doubt it.
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14-10-2014, 02:39 PM | #36 | |||
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Having just read Judy Finnigan's words, I think the whole bloody thing has been blown out of proportion.
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14-10-2014, 02:42 PM | #37 | |||
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14-10-2014, 02:47 PM | #38 | |||
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14-10-2014, 02:48 PM | #39 | |||
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I disagree completely
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14-10-2014, 02:49 PM | #40 | |||
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there is a big difference between 2 people having drinks together, having a good time and capping off the evening with a shag, VS 4 drunk men finding a drunk woman stumbling around on the street that they've never met and bringing her home to have their way with her. a huuuuge difference. imho.
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14-10-2014, 02:51 PM | #41 | ||
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Oh that Judy! She's so old now.
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14-10-2014, 02:53 PM | #42 | |||
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14-10-2014, 02:54 PM | #43 | ||
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14-10-2014, 02:59 PM | #44 | |||
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14-10-2014, 03:05 PM | #45 | |||
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14-10-2014, 03:10 PM | #46 | |||
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14-10-2014, 03:15 PM | #48 | |||
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I think livia is just saying that everyone should be aware of dangerous circumstances. I think both men and women need to be more conscious of their actions, not just women. The same way we all lock our doors at night, but that doesn't mean that anyone deserves to get robbed if they forget one night.
A thief is still a thief even if you don't lock the doors, and a rapist is still a rapist even if you had a few drinks.
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14-10-2014, 03:17 PM | #49 | |||
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14-10-2014, 03:19 PM | #50 | ||
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