[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have just read that the other option is a long extension ....linked to a new event

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-long-14159215

that won't play out though because our mp's will vote to reject their short extension, and then its no deal brexit or revoke article 50

[arista]

The Labour Leader is meeting the PM with other Leaders
at 6:15PM in her Parliament Private office.

Ref : LBC Live


And a statement from the PM at 8PM.

[Twosugars]

it's getting serious

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

it's getting serious

Yes although
she has only has the EU backing
for 30th of June a Sunday
if her treaty - deal goes through
next week

[smudgie]

Hmmm, so her deal or no deal by the look of it then.

Then she can retire.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so much for the EU protecting their own eh?

I have come to the conclusion that no deal with what the UK deserves anyway, 52% of people wanted out, let them have it

I’d imagine only like 12%, max, would have wanted out with no deal. You’d be better off pleasing the 48% if it comes down to that.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Hmmm, so her deal or no deal by the look of it then.

Then she can retire.

or revoke article 50, if they have the balls to do it

[reece(:]

Could she resign tonight?

[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Could she resign tonight?

Only if all her meetings went wrong.

[MTVN]

The EU have only emboldened the ERG now to oppose the deal as they now think No Deal is within their grasp, I think they were coming round before the last 2 days

If May is making a statement I think she is either going to say she will resign or call a general election providing her deal passes, the former could convince some Tories and the latter some Labour..

[Twosugars]

Nathalie Loiseau, France’s Europe minister, said recently that if she had one, she would call her cat Brexit: “It wakes me up miaowing because it wants to go out. When I open the door, its sits there, undecided. Then it looks daggers at me when I put it out.”

[Alf]

You all sound hysterical.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The EU have only emboldened the ERG now to oppose the deal as they now think No Deal is within their grasp, I think they were coming round before the last 2 days

If May is making a statement I think she is either going to say she will resign or call a general election providing her deal passes, the former could convince some Tories and the latter some Labour..

yeah, i think it's red rag to a bull wrt the ERG and the DUP, May has no chance of getting her deal over the line now, she must know that, so she will either resign now (not so likely) or on the 29th .... a certainty if the extension is voted down, and i think it will be.

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rexit-shambles

Pathetic, incoherent, chaotic: Europe's verdict on Brexit shambles
UK’s reputation for diplomacy, pragmatism and self-restraint has all but gone, say politicians and officials across EU

When he started out as a young civil servant, said Alexander Graf Lambsdorff, a German MP from the liberal Free Democratic party, Britain was “always held up as a model of good diplomacy, of pragmatism and of self-restraint”.

That was then. Now, with the UK’s scheduled exit barely a week away and still no clarity in sight, “No one would sign up to that view,” Lambsdorff said. “Now, the UK is seen as neither pragmatic, self-restrained, nor a model.”

For politicians, diplomats and officials across the continent, the past two-and-a-half years of Britain’s fraught, seemingly interminable and increasingly shambolic departure from the EU have proved an eye-opener.

Some have responded with humour. Nathalie Loiseau, France’s Europe minister, said recently that if she had one, she would call her cat Brexit: “It wakes me up miaowing because it wants to go out. When I open the door, its sits there, undecided. Then it looks daggers at me when I put it out.”

Others have found it harder to laugh. To the shock of many, Brexit has revealed a country they long looked up to locked in a narrative of its own exceptionalism, talking mainly to itself, incoherent, entitled, incapable of compromise (with itself or its neighbours), wholly unrealistic, and startlingly ignorant of the workings of an organisation it has belonged to for nearly 50 years.

“Britain’s reputation is, there’s no denying it, much diminished,” judged Pascal Lamy, one of France’s most senior public officials, a former presidential adviser, European commissioner and World Trade Organization head.

Some British politicians are “on another planet”, Lamy said, incapable of seeing that Brexit is the infinitely complex diplomatic and legal equivalent of “trying to take the eggs out of an omelette. Even today, they spout the most monstrous nonsense. Many have still not landed in a place one could call reality. The cognitive dissonance is … remarkable.”

André Gattolin, vice president of the French senate’s European affairs committee, concurred. “It’s actually pathetic, and distressing for someone like me who has liked and admired Britain all his life, to watch these debates in Westminster,” Gattolin said. “MPs are suggesting solutions, possibilities, that just do not exist in the real world.”

The Brexit process feels like “some weird mix of Anarchy in the UK and one of those Agatha Christie detective stories where all the suspects are locked in a room talking to each other, with no interest in, or grasp of, what’s going on outside,” he said.

In practical negotiating terms, “efficient and knowledgeable” officials had been short-circuited, Lamy said, “cut out of both the decision-making and the action, replaced by people who are ideologically pure – and, of course, have royally messed things up”.

From the outset, recalled Tomáš Prouza, the Czech Republic’s then state secretary for EU affairs, British unpreparedness was clear. “Even before the referendum, when David Cameron met [the then Czech prime minister] Bohuslav Sobotka, I saw a very serious lack of preparation,” he said.

“Sobotka was a very technical person, interested in how to re-open treaties. Cameron had a complete lack of interest in the subject.” Worse followed: “We had meetings with David Davis when he had no idea what he was talking about. No idea of how EU treaties functioned.”

Most damaging of all, Prouza said, was Britain’s “sense of entitlement … It was all: ‘We are the UK, we are the big guys. You need us for business, in terms of security, you export so much to the British market.’” The result? “We always looked up to Britain as an example of how a country could be ideally run. All that has gone up in flames.”

Han ten Broeke, until last year an MP specialising in EU affairs who chaired the Dutch-UK parliamentary friendship group, agreed. “Like many, I’ve long been an admirer,” he said. “But I have to say I’ve been completely baffled by this lack of understanding in the UK.”

From the first hour, Brexiters painted “a wholly unrealistic picture. The belief that ‘WTO rules’ will save you, if sovereignty is shared it’s somehow not real … These are fundamental misunderstandings.” Britain should know, he said, that “from our perspective, it looks like you don’t know what you’re getting out of – let alone what you’re getting into.”

Alexandre Holroyd, a member of the French parliament’s European affairs committee and Franco-British friendship group, said Brexit had laid bare “how little real understanding there is, even in a national parliament, of how the EU works, of its rules and institutions”.

That might not be unique to the UK, Holroyd said. But as a country that had always adopted “a legal, rules-based approach to the EU”, how could Britain ever have imagined that member states and allies “with essentially the same approach wouldn’t maintain it when it came to the UK’s demands”?

Sandro Gozi, an MP from Italy’s centre-left Democratic party and former European affairs minister, said he was “surprised to see such improvisation from a British government on such a vital topic”, but that Brexiters had “presented the British people with a wide, straight, flat path – and are now on a very difficult mountain full of curves and uncertainty”.

The opacity of Britain’s Brexit blinkers has been compounded by an adversarial UK political system that defies compromise, many said, preventing the government from ever arriving at a settled view of what Brexit should mean and tying its hands in talks.

“When the Danes voted against the Maastricht treaty, the no campaign knew exactly what it wanted afterwards,” said Lykke Friis, a former Danish climate and energy minister who likened Brexit to “an endless roller-coaster impossible to get off”.

That clear vision “helped serve as a basis for the national compromise that the country worked hard on, and eventually reached, afterwards,” Friis said. “Sadly, it seems Britain doesn’t really do compromise.” She was “flabbergasted” by the face of a country she knew as “strategic, pragmatic, able to defend its interests”, she said.

Consensus, the basis of all politics in many countries on the continent, really matters, Ten Broeke said: “If the centre cannot hold – country before party – you’ll be taken hostage by the fringes. And if compromise is viewed as treason, not survival …”

Gunther Krichbaum, a Christian Democrat MP and member of the Bundestag’s European affairs committee, said the German public and politicians were “incredibly exasperated. Theresa May would have been well advised to approach the other side, rather than try to convince people in her party who could never be convinced.”

When he was asked in 2016 how Brexit would turn out, Krichbaum said, he had replied that he feared the EU27 would “struggle to put up a coherent front” and warned that the Brits were “excellent negotiators and savvy political communicators. I got it completely the wrong way around, on both counts.”

Some simply cannot believe the sheer spectacle Britain is now offering. In Ireland, where Westminster has long inspired a mix of awe, resentment and loathing, a nation is struggling to reconcile that legacy with today’s chaos.

“There are people who regard it as great television,” said Bobby McDonagh, a former ambassador to London. “But it isn’t funny.” But politicians and officials in Dublin still cannot help rolling their eyes at the present state of the mother of parliaments.

“A ****-show that just goes on and on,” said one official. “Makes you wonder how they ever ran an empire,” said another. “British politics is quite broken at the minute,” said Lisa Chambers, the Brexit spokesperson for Fianna Fáil, the main opposition party, more diplomatically. “People have been surprised just how chaotic it’s been.”

McDonagh, who spoke in a personal capacity, said perhaps Westminster’s venerable history was its drawback. “Part of the risk of being the mother of parliaments is to have an exaggerated sense of your own importance,” he said.

France’s Gattolin agreed. “There’s a reliving of a Churchillian past that no longer applies,” he said. “The world has changed.” Ágnes Vadai, an MP from the opposition Democratic Coalition in Hungary, said she had never seen “such complete uncertainty in Britain. I’ve spoken to MPs who support Brexit, and I think they’re living in an old world that doesn’t exist any more. The problem for Britain was never the EU.”

Geert Bourgeois, minister-president of the wealthy Belgian region of Flanders, said Belgians had been “astonished. What we have seen is very un-British.” A former senior Belgian diplomat regretted the absence of “the more practical and pragmatic British, the evidence-based policies”. He blamed a lack of responsible political leadership.

Some remain diplomatic in the face of everything. Spain would “not get into an analysis” of whether the UK was still a measured and reasonable place, a foreign policy official said.

But others were brutal. “We are disappointed in the British political class, in the British parliament,” said Marcin Święcicki, a former mayor of Warsaw and a member of the Polish parliament with the centrist Civic Platform party.

In Germany, Lambsdorff said Europe had long smiled on harmless British eccentricities, but had now discovered another kind: “Eton games and Oxbridge rituals that appear to have taken over the House of Commons – and have very little to do with mature political decision-making.”

[arista]

Her Statement is now at 8:15PM
so SkyNewsHD say.

Ch4HDnews said its inside Downing Street

[reece(:]

Tory MP Dominic Grieve says Theresa May’s furious attack on parliament for blocking her Brexit deal has left him “never more ashamed to be a Conservative”, adding: “I could have wept.”

In a powerful speech, the former attorney-general condemned the prime minister for blaming the Commons for the crisis while refusing to accept any responsibility herself.

“I have never felt more ashamed to be a member of the Conservative Party or to be asked to lend her support,” Mr Grieve told MPs.

“She spent most of her time castigating the house for its misconduct. At no stage did she pause to consider whether it is, in fact, the way she is leading this government that might be contributing to the situation.”

The pro-EU Tory said he had long considered Ms May to be “a friend”, but added: “I have to say I could have wept – wept to see her reduced to these straits.

“And wept to see the extent to which she was now simply zig-zagging all over the place, instead of standing up for what the national interest must be.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8832516.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

You all sound hysterical.

Yes blame the Remoaners

[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8832516.html

Yes he is Standing Strong.
He is a Good MP
but he is only one vote

[arista]

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rexit-shambles

that just highlights the fact that the UK has been at odds with the EU right from the start ... thats a fact.

However, todays politicians from all parties should be ashamed of themselves. They are a laughing stock

[arista]

From LBC Live
The Labour Leader walked out of the PM meetings
as some the Independent Group MP's walked in.....................

[bitontheslide]

"Three different sources tell @nickeardleybbc and I that Jeremy Corbyn walked out of the meeting with that PM because Chuka Umunna of TiG was there"

[arista]

[MTVN]

Corbyn as mature and open minded as ever

[bitontheslide]

It's just obscene