[empire]

A polish pm said that, the british people should be made to pay child benefit to polish children in poland, same time we are forced to work longer, and are pensions will pay for that, its a fact, britain will gain nothing being in the eu state, socialism only works when you run out of other peoples money, when the uk leaves the eu, where will it get money for its eastern block countries, it is unfair that we can't have a vote to stay or go,

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hold on hold on...

I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you're saying but...

In which war did the US "conquer" the UK??

The Revolutionary War (the american war of independence), we conquered most of your north american colonies.

[lostalex]

Really, most of the complaints are based around the idea that Britain is a rich, prosperous powerful country in Europe, but you don't want to subsidize or pay for the weaker countries in the EU.

Well the same could be said about the richest states in the US having to subsidize the poorest states, especially the south, especially because we disagree with them politically and see them as backwards and not in line with our morals.

But i don't think the US should reject our Union just because we have some very poor backwards states. Do i get annoyed and dismayed by having Alabama and Lousianna and Mississippi in the union sometimes? yes. but it's still better that we keep our union together.

The EU has similar backwards, poor states. but you have to take the good with the bad.

The UK should be proud it is one of the most prosperous states in the EU, just like California should be proud of being a prosperous state of the US, but i would never vote for my state, California, to leave the USA. I value the diversity of the USA, even though sometimes it confuses me, or even disgusts me, i know that California is still part of the USA, and this much larger land, and it benefits everyone to try to be connected with the other states on my continent.

I see countries like UK, France, Germany, as successful states, like California, New York, Florida. Yes the strongest states have to pay a little bit more than their fair share. But it's worth it in the end.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by empire

A polish pm said that, the british people should be made to pay child benefit to polish children in poland, same time we are forced to work longer, and are pensions will pay for that, its a fact, britain will gain nothing being in the eu state, socialism only works when you run out of other peoples money, when the uk leaves the eu, where will it get money for its eastern block countries, it is unfair that we can't have a vote to stay or go,

Asabsurd and unbelievable as it may seem Empire; this is not a PROPOSAL, it is a fact - an actual reality which has been ongoing since we joined the EU.

Britain must stop paying Ł80 child benefit to children in Poland when they get only Ł18 back home, says Nick Clegg

Deputy Prime Minister orders officials to find a way to cut costs
Child benefit paid to EU working in Britain even if families are abroad
Tories want to scrap the payment as part of wide-ranging EU reform
Until then Lib Dem Clegg wants to cut payments to equal home countries

Polish parents who claim child benefit for their families in their home country should not receive the same amount as British workers, Nick Clegg said today.
The Deputy Prime Minister has ordered officials to find a legal way to slash the ‘absurd’ payments made for children who do not live in the UK.
He said it was not fair that Britain pays Ł80-a-month per child, but in Poland child benefit is worth only Ł18.

Nick Clegg wants Britain to stop paying UK rates for child benefit for children who live in countries where the rates are lower
Under EU rules, the benefit has to be paid to European nationals who are working in Britain and paying National Insurance – even if their families are based abroad.
There are around 24,000 families claiming for 38,500 children, with two-thirds of the children based in Poland.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ome-says-Nick-



Just one of a hundred of reasons why we should exit the crazy, corrupt EU as soon as possible. No wonder the Polish Economy is in a far stronger state than this fecked up country's:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...o-watch-poland

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles...ynamic-economy

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Really, most of the complaints are based around the idea that Britain is a rich, prosperous powerful country in Europe, but you don't want to subsidize or pay for the weaker countries in the EU.

Well the same could be said about the richest states in the US having to subsidize the poorest states, especially the south, especially because we disagree with them politically and see them as backwards and not in line with our morals.

But i don't think the US should reject our Union just because we have some very poor backwards states. Do i get annoyed and dismayed by having Alabama and Lousianna and Mississippi in the union sometimes? yes. but it's still better that we keep our union together.

The EU has similar backwards, poor states. but you have to take the good with the bad.

The UK should be proud it is one of the most prosperous states in the EU, just like California should be proud of being a prosperous state of the US, but i would never vote for my state, California, to leave the USA. I value the diversity of the USA, even though sometimes it confuses me, or even disgusts me, i know that California is still part of the USA, and this much larger land, and it benefits everyone to try to be connected with the other states on my continent.

I see countries like UK, France, Germany, as successful states, like California, New York, Florida. Yes the strongest states have to pay a little bit more than their fair share. But it's worth it in the end.

Good one Lostalex,very thought provoking post, I agree with it all again.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Really, most of the complaints are based around the idea that Britain is a rich, prosperous powerful country in Europe, but you don't want to subsidize or pay for the weaker countries in the EU.

Well the same could be said about the richest states in the US having to subsidize the poorest states, especially the south, especially because we disagree with them politically and see them as backwards and not in line with our morals.

But i don't think the US should reject our Union just because we have some very poor backwards states. Do i get annoyed and dismayed by having Alabama and Lousianna and Mississippi in the union sometimes? yes. but it's still better that we keep our union together.

The EU has similar backwards, poor states. but you have to take the good with the bad.

The UK should be proud it is one of the most prosperous states in the EU, just like California should be proud of being a prosperous state of the US, but i would never vote for my state, California, to leave the USA. I value the diversity of the USA, even though sometimes it confuses me, or even disgusts me, i know that California is still part of the USA, and this much larger land, and it benefits everyone to try to be connected with the other states on my continent.

I see countries like UK, France, Germany, as successful states, like California, New York, Florida. Yes the strongest states have to pay a little bit more than their fair share. But it's worth it in the end.

We are (supposedly) part of a European Union but we are not the 'UNITED STATES OF EUROPE'.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Asabsurd and unbelievable as it may seem Empire; this is not a PROPOSAL, it is a fact - an actual reality which has been ongoing since we joined the EU.

Britain must stop paying Ł80 child benefit to children in Poland when they get only Ł18 back home, says Nick Clegg

Deputy Prime Minister orders officials to find a way to cut costs
Child benefit paid to EU working in Britain even if families are abroad
Tories want to scrap the payment as part of wide-ranging EU reform
Until then Lib Dem Clegg wants to cut payments to equal home countries

Polish parents who claim child benefit for their families in their home country should not receive the same amount as British workers, Nick Clegg said today.
The Deputy Prime Minister has ordered officials to find a legal way to slash the ‘absurd’ payments made for children who do not live in the UK.
He said it was not fair that Britain pays Ł80-a-month per child, but in Poland child benefit is worth only Ł18.

Nick Clegg wants Britain to stop paying UK rates for child benefit for children who live in countries where the rates are lower
Under EU rules, the benefit has to be paid to European nationals who are working in Britain and paying National Insurance – even if their families are based abroad.
There are around 24,000 families claiming for 38,500 children, with two-thirds of the children based in Poland.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ome-says-Nick-



Just one of a hundred of reasons why we should exit the crazy, corrupt EU as soon as possible. No wonder the Polish Economy is in a far stronger state than this fecked up country's:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...o-watch-poland

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles...ynamic-economy

that's horrific.....add the fact foreign visitors don't even need health insurance when visiting the uk LIKE ALL OTHER CIVILIZED NATIONS ON EARTH? how many billions is this every year? aids victims treated, 60% are non british? the list goes on and on

ps USA was formed by a 13 page constitution from its outset, European nations are thousands of years old within enfinite more laws, cultures, histories, heritage, different cultures skills economies etc trying to force these 30 to 40 nations together as 1 is insane and unworkable, as proved by the unreadable 587 page constitution compared to the usa's simple 13 page document....apples and oranges

[Vicky.]

Hold up, why the hell do we pay child benefit to kids who dont live here? I always thought that was an anti-immigration type myth

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hold up, why the hell do we pay child benefit to kids who dont live here? I always thought that was an anti-immigration type myth

EU rule that we obey to the letter, any EU citizen is entitled to claim child benefit for any amount of kids anywhere in Europe.

That is stupid enough but this country does no checks on eligibility, they reckon the cost outweighs the benefits.

[Kizzy]

So what's the solution...

Wait for Poland to raise their child benefit and wages in line with ours, reduce ours or restrict movement?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hold up, why the hell do we pay child benefit to kids who dont live here? I always thought that was an anti-immigration type myth

I KNEW IT!!!! You are all CONNED by misinformation and lies Vicky, but you do not know a hundreth of the truth about the EU and the cost to this country of the EU's ENFORCED OPEN DOOR IMMIGRATION POLICIES.

YES - the above is not only the truth Vicky but the figures are from 2012 so the amount of money being LEECHED from this country by immigrants milking the system is now much, much worse.

Watch this space now because I feel it is important to air the truth so no one is kept in the dark.

The net cost to this country of EU membership is between Ł15 to Ł20 billion PER YEAR and all the BS the pro-EU brigade post is propaganda.

Would you believe this:

Tens of millions of pounds have been paid to Immigrants who applied to come here by way of Ł10,000 payments NOT to come.
A lot of the applicants accepted the Ł10K then came anyway.
A lot of those who accepted the Ł10K then came anyway, left for home again after a few months here then made another application to return here and.....

YES BINGO ... They were paid another Ł10K NOT to come and .....
A lot of the applicants who did this then came anyway.

AND THERE WAS NO LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THESE BASTARDS PASSED GO AND COLLECTED Ł10,000.

(I will now wait for the usual protests that I am lying. )

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what's the solution...

Wait for Poland to raise their child benefit and wages in line with ours, reduce ours or restrict movement?

GET OUT OF THE EU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, then we can start to manage our own finances and laws and borders - something we were once so capabable of for thousands of years.

TRIDENT, THE NHS and our CONVENTIONAL MILITARY could be rescued and elevated to positions of excellence with the help of the incredible amounts of money saved by exiting the farcical EU.

The loss of TRADE MARKETS and other claimed disadvantages to exiting are just B.S.

[Kizzy]

According to the CBI that amount is chickenfeed offset against the free trade agreement.
You have to weigh up the pros and cons. They may amend the way benefits are claimed that does not however make that issue a reason to leave the EU altogether.
It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

http://www.cbi.org.uk/campaigns/our-...utweigh-costs/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

According to the CBI that amount is chickenfeed offset against the free trade agreement.
You have to weigh up the pros and cons. They may amend the way benefits are claimed that does not however make that issue a reason to leave the EU altogether.
It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

http://www.cbi.org.uk/campaigns/our-...utweigh-costs/

In have not time at the moment but will address this with links to articles which rebut this. But this issue IS DEFINITELY a reason to leave the EU altogether - NOT THE REASON but A REASON.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

GET OUT OF THE EU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, then we can start to manage our own finances and laws and borders - something we were once so capabable of for thousands of years.

TRIDENT, THE NHS and our CONVENTIONAL MILITARY could be rescued and elevated to positions of excellence with the help of the incredible amounts of money saved by exiting the farcical EU.

The loss of TRADE MARKETS and other claimed disadvantages to exiting are just B.S.

Oh I can see it now, stuff the EU ..stuff Scotland and wherever else that want to remain in. Little Britain rules OK?
We will have to join some trade organisation... take a seat in the WTO maybe, and what will that entail? Will that mean agreements regarding freedom of movement..freedom for people worldwide to access our services and welfare system?
I don't think that anyone who wants out of the EU fully understands what the alternatives will be, I have heard not one scenario that would be of any benefit, or satisfy the concerns that are currently held regarding our place in Europe.
It will only serve to alienate us from our closest neighbours and allies, those with whom we have the closest geographical,cultural and dare I say it religious ties.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what's the solution...

Wait for Poland to raise their child benefit and wages in line with ours, reduce ours or restrict movement?

Well I would say...only pay child benefit to those who live in the country its being claimed from ?

[Vicky.]

Then again, I'm guessing thats not our choice to make...

[bitontheslide]

Its right and proper that welfare should be available across the union (after a minimum term of residency) The way to ensure that payments were only made for children living here would be to check regularly that they were indeed in this country. However, our services are already stretched, and if they spend their time checking details like this, other more critical areas will suffer.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hold up, why the hell do we pay child benefit to kids who dont live here? I always thought that was an anti-immigration type myth

Because the EU says we have to.....

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Because the EU says we have to.....

I don't understand it though..why can't these kids get child benefit in the country they live in? Does this mean that technically we could be made to pay CB for every kid in europe simply because our benefits are higher than theirs?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't understand it though..why can't these kids get child benefit in the country they live in? Does this mean that technically we could be made to pay CB for every kid in europe simply because our benefits are higher than theirs?

Because their parents work here while their families live at home,Mainly Poland.The parents work here and claim CB for each of their kids back in Europe and usually send it abroad.Scandalous.
So our government(us) are giving money to kids abroad in Europe.

[empire]

the only thing thatcher ever got right, was about the eu, every thing she said about it was true,the single currency could not accommodate both industrial houses, like greece and italy to spain and the eastern countries in europe, none of these states would cope with high inflation, on their small economies, and with greece heading out of the euro, it looks set for others to do the same.

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Really, most of the complaints are based around the idea that Britain is a rich, prosperous powerful country in Europe, but you don't want to subsidize or pay for the weaker countries in the EU.

Well the same could be said about the richest states in the US having to subsidize the poorest states, especially the south, especially because we disagree with them politically and see them as backwards and not in line with our morals.

But i don't think the US should reject our Union just because we have some very poor backwards states. Do i get annoyed and dismayed by having Alabama and Lousianna and Mississippi in the union sometimes? yes. but it's still better that we keep our union together.

The EU has similar backwards, poor states. but you have to take the good with the bad.

The UK should be proud it is one of the most prosperous states in the EU, just like California should be proud of being a prosperous state of the US, but i would never vote for my state, California, to leave the USA. I value the diversity of the USA, even though sometimes it confuses me, or even disgusts me, i know that California is still part of the USA, and this much larger land, and it benefits everyone to try to be connected with the other states on my continent.

I see countries like UK, France, Germany, as successful states, like California, New York, Florida. Yes the strongest states have to pay a little bit more than their fair share. But it's worth it in the end.

But I don't really think it's that simple. The US started as a union, before that it was 13 colonies of ONE other country. Because of that the US has always had unifying qualities and an underlying culture. Add to that the fact that the US has expanded so much from what it once was, taking over land from the native culture who didn't have the infrastructure that Europe has. The US got a chance to grow into its borders.

Because of that developmental difference, people in the US have the advantage of being able to move around more easily. I don't mean it's easier to actually get to a different part of the country in the US than it is to get to another member state in the EU, but it's easier to settle in once you're there. No matter how different California and Louisiana are, Americans can leave one state to find a job in another.

Realistically, that isn't as easy in EU. Cultural differences, language barriers, and other factors make it hard to pick up and find a job. And that really has put a chokehold on some of the smaller nation's economies.

[Denver]

Out without a doubt

[smudgie]

This lady is for turning.
I am leaning towards coming out of late.