[Mike]

Do you think anyone in the house is playing it clever? basically is there anyone making sure they get on with everyone so they don't get nominated? or are none of them doing this?

[Nowhere]

Only Hm that comes to mind is Ian, though I think he's mostly being genuine.

[rex3]

Cleo, is far too dodgy with her stance

[The_Hitman]

Cleos playing it very clever.

She lost alot of my respect when she voted Shilpa FIRST and voted her anyway. Cleo should not have pretended it was for Shilpas own good, as she can leave whenever she wants.

I dont trust Cleo anymore.

[Dan_]

I feel Cleo kinda falls into this catergory.She likes people from both sides and just seems to want a peaceful house so that they can all get along and have fun but I do think she can tend to what to get people on her side and just go unoticed.

Ian also seems to want to stay in the middle and although he obviously does not like the views of some of the other housemates he carries on being civil and inoffensive so he does not become involved and unpopular.

[Edwin]

Originally posted by rex3
Cleo, is far too dodgy with her stance

Why?

According to the forums;

If you're nice to someone yet don't really like them you're fake

If you're honest but in a calm manner you're patronising and stuck up

If you don't take sides you're a fence-sitter

If you do take sides you're a bully

If you don't do any of the above (or below) then you're obviously a bore

And if you're aggressive you're a criminal that should be locked up.

[bovvered?]

Jack, Jade Jo & Daniella all voted for the same 2 people knowing that by putting in Dirk they would probably have a 3 person choice on Friday. I dont think they reckoned on Cleos or Ians vote picking Jade.

Cleo voted tactically if she had not voted for Shilpa, Dirk would be up !

[rex3]

Originally posted by Edwin

Why?

According to the forums;

If you're nice to someone yet don't really like them you're fake

If you're honest but in a calm manner you're patronising and stuck up

If you don't take sides you're a fence-sitter

If you do take sides you're a bully

If you don't do any of the above (or below) then you're obviously a bore

And if you're aggressive you're a criminal that should be locked up.

im not saying nice people should be hated, if youve read my past posts youd know, what im saying is, in Cleo's neutral stance there has been slight unfairness on how she critisize shilpa harsha than jade, which seems slightly dodgy if your that neutral. Hence i said the word Dodge not completly fake and shes not a complete bitch.

[tinkerbell]

Danielle, she is very 2faced!! VERY

[DiamondDogTags]

I think Jade is playing the game the biggest.. with her dream and questions about eskimos.. but i don't think any of them are trying to be nice to not get nominated.. Cleo and Ian may seem that way but i think they are genuine, and just don't like arguments/bullies/etc.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
Danielle, she is very 2faced!! VERY

Can you explain, I thought we were discussing if you thought that anyone in the house is playing it clever.

We need to understand your point of view to comment.

[tinkerbell]

[Dan_]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
Danielle, she is very 2faced!! VERY

She's let her game slip a few times when drunk but other than that I'd agree as she's nice to Shilpa's face but sticks the knife in when she's out of earshot and she did not dare say to Jade she disagreed about some of the things that she had said to Shilpa.

[Edwin]

Originally posted by tinkerbell

Stop acting like a teenager.

Why do you think Danielle is playing it clever?

[tinkerbell]

Why are you getting personal? i am a teenager!

Danielle is playing it clever because she is all sweet to Shilpa and says she likes her and when she talks to Jade she says the opposite. ok? dont sweat it and get personal

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by Edwin

Stop acting like a teenager.

Why do you think Danielle is playing it clever?

Youve got a serious attitude problem Edwin just because youre precious Jade Goody has shown herself to be a pathetic moron.

You obviously have things in common with her.

[jermaineordirktowin]

Cleo is possibly being very fake.

[Edwin]

Originally posted by The_Hitman
Youve got a serious attitude problem Edwin just because youre precious Jade Goody has shown herself to be a pathetic moron.

You obviously have things in common with her.

I don't particularly like Jade, i'm just defending her because no-one else will. I'm not the sort who jumps on the bandwagon and slags off the 'public enemy' because it's popular opinion. I did it with Grace last year, and i'll do it again. I mean, what's the point in coming on a forum to read nothing but countless arguments about how 'awful' Jade is. This is for debating after all?

And about calling tinkerbell a teenager: why should someone just slag someone off without telling anyone why? It seems pointless to just slag something off and then not even say anything.. all she wanted was loads of people to join in and i'm not like that... I don't see the point in registering a bloody forum when you can't even express your opinion in a constructive manner.

And despite all of this, I actually really like Shilpa, what I don't like, however is the publics/press treatment of HMs in general.

[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by Edwin

I don't particularly like Jade, i'm just defending her because no-one else will. I'm not the sort who jumps on the bandwagon and slags off the 'public enemy' because it's popular opinion. I did it with Grace last year, and i'll do it again. I mean, what's the point in coming on a forum to read nothing but countless arguments about how 'awful' Jade is. This is for debating after all?

To be honest I couldnt give a s**t about all these Devils Advocates that have turned up. I have the ability to be objective toward the events that Ive seen on TV, and when Im debating about it, the last thing I want to bother with is people lying about things or getting offensive with people who are already dealing with their own stress after what theyve seen that animal Goody doing in that house.

Im not saying you are responsible for any of the lies, but you have just ordered someone how to behave. Whats wrong, is Jades obnoxious attitude rubbing off on you whilst youve been thinking how to stick up for her?

[GlitterEyes]

I think Dirk is playing it very clever...nominating Jermaine because he is close to Shilpa.

I think Shilpa is playing it very well also. I dont think Ian or Cleo is playing the game they are just genuine people who dislike confrontation.

[Edwin]

Originally posted by The_Hitman
To be honest I couldnt give a s**t about all these Devils Advocates that have turned up. I have the ability to be objective toward the events that Ive seen on TV, and when Im debating about it, the last thing I want to bother with is people lying about things or getting offensive with people who are already dealing with their own stress after what theyve seen that animal Goody doing in that house.

Im not saying you are responsible for any of the lies, but you have just ordered someone how to behave. Whats wrong, is Jades obnoxious attitude rubbing off on you whilst youve been thinking how to stick up for her?

You can't order someone how to behave on an internet forum. I may have said it in an 'orderly' way but she can do what she wants in the end of it. All I wanted her to know was that I thought she was acting like a teenager and in order to have a decent argument you mays well back up an opinion with something

[Red Moon]

I think the. the question we are all trying to understand from all this is "what is racism?"

I think we all have different views on the subject.

The thing is we don't need the people in Government to tell us what to think. We all need to sort out what it is as a group and as a nation.

[rex3]

racism is a when the person victimised feels he or she has been : -

taking advantage of
abused
bitched and bullied about

becuase a vibe or a blatent overt suggests its the colour of her or his skin, or trates of race...

[GlitterEyes]

I personally think people can say comments with no intention at all of being racist alot of people are just not sure what is the politically correct wording. I dont believe any housemate is being intentially racist at all. Comments have just been taken the wrong way and blown way up out of proportion.

[Edwin]

Originally posted by Red Moon
I think the. the question we are all trying to understand from all this is "what is racism?"

I think we all have different views on the subject.

The thing is we don't need the people in Government to tell us what to think. We all need to sort out what it is as a group and as a nation.

I agree with the government bit, but I think it's impossible to please everyone in society.

On one side you could be going into "PC MADNESS" on the other side you could go into "Racism".I just think we should find something in between.

I don't think the HMs have been racist, I just think they've used Shilpa's culture as a way of insulting them. It's like saying that Jermaine is American so he must love Mcdonalds and quizzing him on whether he lives in a trailer park or not. The blame lies mostly with ignorance, but I think BB should of intervened much earlier on...