[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The standard is a huge improvement on Freak Show. But they've not made improvements on the pacing and structure so any good from it (within the first 6 episodes) falls apart in the second half. Much like Coven did.

Also another thing I didn't like from Coven on was how they made it less sinister and more comedic, like with Madam LaLaurie, that could have been a real creepy aspect but then they made her a talking head

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also another thing I didn't like from Coven on was how they made it less sinister and more comedic, like with Madam LaLaurie, that could have been a real creepy aspect but then they made her a talking head

I know what you mean.

I thought cutting her limb from limb was a great idea so that she lived as a head but then forcing her to watch Roots and stuff and be all sassy with Queenie made it too silly.

I didn't mind the comedic aspects, but you're right it bled too far into the darker stuff.

[Smithy]

Watch for yourself niamh, everyone agrees that it's better than FS but other people are split with whether or not coven is better, personally I thin it is just because Coven ended up feeling like Ryan Murphey just wanted an outlet to make a bitchy meme tv show (which is where scream queens came from)

[reece(:]

They ruined Coven by

Spoiler:

killing Queenie in Hotel

[Niamh.]

Oh Damn it I thought that was a Coven Spoiler

[Marsh.]

[Cal.]

That returning cast is BORING.

[Tom4784]

I thought Hotel was way better than both Coven and Freakshow but it's far from the peak of Asylum and Murder House.

The main problem with Hotel was that there was too many characters and not enough storyline to go around. As usual all the male characters bar March and Elizabeth were mostly pointless and the interesting characters ultimately didn't get enough screen time because of all the pointless characters hogging screen time.

Still, in comparison to the last two seasons it's a Tour De Force in Television excellence.

[Marsh.]

Just read a Paleyfest recap.

Seems like what I expected from Hotel with the vampire kids. Let's hope he can actually write a storyline this time.

[Tom4784]

Matt Bomer needs to be given an interesting character this time around, his role in hotel was basically to look pretty and show off his bod and Cheyenne just needs a character that isn't a walking talking plot device.

I like West Bentley and I liked John in the second half of the season but I don't think he should play the main character this time around. He's a bit wasted playing an 'eyes of the audience' type character, he'd be better off playing a supporting role.

I wanna see Finn Wittrock play a good guy for once, that'd be interesting as he's only played evil/morally ambiguous characters thus far.

I'm hoping that Angela, Kathy and Denis get significant roles this time around, Iris and Elizabeth pretty much carried Hotel and Angela's been given the short end of the stick when it comes to characters outside of Coven.

If Evan Peters comes back they need to keep him away from playing the Love Interest, March was his best character since Tate because he was playing against type.

[Daniel.]

Coven is underrated, the female cast

[Smithy]

I think Angela is the lead this season

[Firewire]

Chloe needs to return as well

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Chloe needs to return as well

No. Bitch is worse than Gaga at the acting stuff.

[Firewire]

HE'S GOT MEASLES /caps

[Jake.]

hotel's better than coven & freakshow combined

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I think Angela is the lead this season

This needs to be true. She didn't get enough airtime in Hotel

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Chloe needs to return as well

I'm here for it although they shouldn't cast her as anyone (relatively speaking) normal, Like with Wes Bentley she needs to play someone that's larger than life and/or weird.

[Firewire]

Mare better be a main in season 6, she was great in Hotel

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I think Angela is the lead this season

[Tom4784]

Yeah, I'd love it if Angela was a lead, Ramona and her Freakshow character weren't the best but you could really tell that she was making the most of the weak writing. She needs another winner like Marie.

She deserves the spotlight tbh.

[reece(:]

Angela deserves it

[Jake.]

I've recently rewatched the first three seasons (just finished Coven's last ep). My opinion on the first two hasn't really changed. Asylum is still the best, followed by Murder House (which I actually preferred on rewatch). With regards to Coven, it's not amazing but on a rewatch it was far better than before. It was a turning point in the franchise which quickly changed again, and although it was a bit camp and too comedic at times, it didn't go to the extremes that Scream Queens would. It's probably a 7/10, but I would have given it a 6 before so I'm glad I gave it another go.

[Cal.]

I rewatched them all in December/January and I thought Coven was better on my rewatch - still not as good as Asylum and Murder House though.

[Jake.]

the plot holes were what perhaps made it a bit annoying as well. no real explanation as to why marie/mcflurry were no longer immortal/could die, and madison's death was a bit far fetched given how she'd just proved she could do 6/7 wonders yet die so easily