[Macie Lightfoot]

I think Braden explains his views very well

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Braden

Lol, okay. I just think if that's how you genuinely felt you wouldn't be bothered by what i have to say...I didn't mean to touch a nerve though. As much you can say what you like, and like who you like, I'm allowed to have my opinion as a result of that. I'm not going to silence myself.



Calling me unfriendly and rude is a bit touchy. I'm allowed to judge someone based on their thoughts and feelings.

It's not even negative though. If anything I was giving Raph a compliment because I don't find him to be anywhere near as a bad of a person as Paulie.

You're insulting though which is rude and unfriendly

[Braden]

Okay, is the shallow comment what is deemed to be insulting/unfriendly/rude?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Braden

Okay, is the shallow comment what is deemed to be insulting/unfriendly/rude?

Well you called someone shallow over and over and they feel insulted so yes.

[Raph]

Yeah braden

[Braden]

Well I apologise for the use of that word.

I only meant in the context of what I was talking about, which is still my observation. However, I should have phrased differently so I wouldn't cause offence.

[Raph]

Thanks Braden! Like I said I'm super happy to discuss my views and have always enjoyed discussing things in the past with you. I get it though, it's super frustrating when you despise someone and they're rooted for on this forum in a very positive manner. That happened with Ashleigh BB15 for me, and it's hard not to insult people personally when their views extreme quite far from yours. But yeah here to positive discourse about what I think is the best season of BBUSA since Dan's one in 2008!

[Liam-]

I can remember at the start of the season that not many people really took notice of Natalie, how has she changed so many people's opinions?

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I can remember at the start of the season that not many people really took notice of Natalie, how has she changed so many people's opinions?

In not quite sure tbh. Personally she adds very little intellectual value to the game but I think people like her because she comes across as a sweet person.

[Macie Lightfoot]

by being as sweet as could be, and as of recently for the amazing poetic justice that it is in her helping knock down Paulie a few notches

[LukeB]

1.Victor
2.Paulie
3.Michelle - superfan queen
4.James
5.Natalie
6.Paul
7.Nicole
8.Corey

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Raph

Thanks Braden! Like I said I'm super happy to discuss my views and have always enjoyed discussing things in the past with you. I get it though, it's super frustrating when you despise someone and they're rooted for on this forum in a very positive manner. That happened with Ashleigh BB15 for me, and it's hard not to insult people personally when their views extreme quite far from yours. But yeah here to positive discourse about what I think is the best season of BBUSA since Dan's one in 2008!

No problem. I actually enjoy it more when people are passionate when they discuss who they like/dislike because the argument itself is more accurate and 'to the point' if you will. And it's funny because I'm not the sort of person who would like to leave a discussion with a sort of 'agree to disagree' climax, but 80/90% of the time it always goes that way on the forum for the sake of morale

[Macie Lightfoot]

for someone who doesn't provide much intellectual value, Natalie sure spearheaded the biggest move of the season in the Zakiyah eviction. Not to mention the whole "it's my body and I don't need to disclose **** to you about whether my breasts are real or fake" social issue thing.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Braden

God forbid people debate the TV show they're watching.

People don't like it when their opinions are questioned....Please grow up.

Jesus Christ. It's not that you are questioning an opinion but you have literally been saying how basically the people who like Paulie must have character flaws or you are surprised that "someone like Raph" would like "someone like Paulie." so it's a compliment??? That's like a back-handed shot of making him feel bad just for liking someone on a TV show. Paulie is not a one-dimensional character either so this should not shock you just because Paulie has some character flaws. Like I said, you HONESTLY don't like any characters that have character flaws? Yeah right, Braden.

And what Raph is saying is accurate IMO as I completely agree that it's part of what I've liked about Paulie & his game, mainly earlier on.

It's the remarks that kinda irk me. Those remarks continued when you called Raph shallow for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with this. And I know you've taken it back so fair enough..

But like why does Raph get called shallow for "liking someone for their brother" which is a stretch accusation/assumption and "liking all Middle East / asian girls" (I'm not saying just now either, they get these comments made to them at random in other situations ) when soooo many people on here clearly have their preferences anyway lol.

It seems like people always get on Raph and Luke for every little thing but whatever, I get it's just a forum to discuss things. I see it's been kinda settled and discussed and therefore I'm fine with it as well I just wanted to add this in after reading it all.

[Braden]

Oh dear.

I'm not prolonging this argument anymore because I don't want to risk being rude or unfriendly. You can put me on ignore if you like

[JerseyWins]

Lol it's fine. This was over anyway I just came in late. I wouldn't put someone on ignore just for this... It's really not THAT big of a deal I just want to understand the reasoning.

Like honestly, I just think you're being irrationally judgmental towards others as a result of your hate for Paulie but it is what it is.

[Braden]

Hmm, maybe so. I can get irate when I'm confused about certain things, but it doesn't seem like this argument is ever going to be clarified happily on either end.

[Anaesthesia]

I like Paulie and I don't think I'm morally degenerate :P

Right now, I think the best game is being played by Paulie, Paul, and James. Sweety Nat as a coaster thats quirky enough to make it to F3.

Honestly, the rest can go ****** themselves, these are the guys that are playing.

[JerseyWins]

Fair enough Braden I understand

I'd love to see Paul win this season but he MIGHT get himself in trouble later on. I'm kinda back to feeling like a girl will win this season, especially if there's a girl return from jury, as I think the guys are all very much against each other now. But which girl to win? It would be crazy/hilarious/great if Natalie won the season.

[Braden]

I think Natalie has a good chance. I can really vision her winning I think she has her head screwed on game-wise, and she's likable enough for the jury to want to vote for her. It just depends if people see her as a threat nearer to the end.

I wouldn't mind Paul winning either at this moment in time.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Fair enough Braden I understand

I'd love to see Paul win this season but he MIGHT get himself in trouble later on. I'm kinda back to feeling like a girl will win this season, especially if there's a girl return from jury, as I think the guys are all very much against each other now. But which girl to win? It would be crazy/hilarious/great if Natalie won the season.

I think Paul will win tbh (if I was doing odds I would put Paul as favourite)

[JerseyWins]

Yeah I think Paul definitely has a good chance that's for sure. The other guy I'd say has a decent shot at it is James but he has to survive the current wrath of Paulie/Corey/Nicole. I could realistically see any of the girls winning but it's hard to tell which is the favorite right now. Probably is Natalie because I think Paulie is the only one who wants her out any time soon?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Yeah I think Paul definitely has a good chance that's for sure. The other guy I'd say has a decent shot at it is James but he has to survive the current wrath of Paulie/Corey/Nicole. I could realistically see any of the girls winning but it's hard to tell which is the favorite right now. Probably is Natalie because I think Paulie is the only one who wants her out any time soon?

I wouldn't mind a James win because of the fantasy competition probably Natalie could win too but it depends if anyone takes her to the final 2. I can see Paul and Victor being F2 tbh maybe Michelle 3rd/4th

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Well AarynGries fan asked if Raph relates to all those other things Paulie's said/done when Raph already explained how he relates to Paulie. As if you just CAN'T find a way to relate to or like Paulie without being associated with those things.

Also not just AarynGries... although this is at least not going right at someone for their opinion but still kinda crappy at least IMO...

&
"I lose respect for anyone who still supports Paulie"

@Braden, do you not like any reality TV show character that has asshole-ish behavior that you may have excused because they entertain you? Because I can point out two just off the top of my head that I've seen that you like: Courtney from Survivor: China & Natalie from Micronesia. Obviously you might view them differently or see different levels of how much these characters are assholes or not but I'd assume you like those people because you either find something else entertaining in them or you find them entertaining while they're being an ass - which is perfectly fine to do IMO... that's something pretty common for me personally tbh. If you like them / support them / defend them that doesn't say anything about you as a person.

Anyway, the main thing is I find it ironic that AarynGriesfan would make that kind of post.

Ross I think you questioned why Raph/people like Paulie just fine in a respectable way.

I salute you.

I know this whole debate is very much over, but I also don't like to be thought of categorizing someone in some way of being like the person they support. What people enjoy watching and what people are - are two very different things.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I'm glad I don't relate to Paulie's personality TBH bc I'm pretty sure he has narcissistic personality disorder at this point.

part of me wonders if he was this messed up before BB16, but if you develop a complex from your little brother being on a reality TV show then you probably were just an ass the whole time

Based on people who knew him before hand it sounds like he's always just been an arsehole.