[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by arista

They can have it
Once we are out of the Corrupt EU
in 2019.

OK Greg.

Seems sensible tbh.2 years.Get all the Brexit stuff out of the way.One thing at once.
Even if the PM said do it whenever it probably would'nt happen until the back end of 2018 anyway.These things take time.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by ebandit

............let ms fishychops squeal........................

Mark L

gotta remember it's not ALL about her.......................

time to recognise that her fellow scots voted to remain

Mark L

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by ebandit

gotta remember it's not ALL about her.......................

time to recognise that her fellow scots voted to remain

Mark L

Are you talking to yourself?

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Are you talking to yourself?

oops! busted......................it's official i'm an embarrassment............

Mark L

[Tom4784]

There should be a referendum for Scotland, it would be scandalous if Parliament tries to block it and it would likely only ensure that Scotland would leave when they eventually get their referendum.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Just proves we're not a "union of equals" then. The democratically elected government of Scotland (with a far higher vote percentage than the tories) denied a referendum and a choice. What a disgrace. It will backfire on her though, support for independence will increase.

Denied a choice? They made it. Loud and clear.

Sturgeon ignoring her Scottish people and the choice they wanted and calling a new referendum until she gets her own selfish way?

[Braden]

Roofliss.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There should be a referendum for Scotland, it would be scandalous if Parliament tries to block it and it would likely only ensure that Scotland would leave when they eventually get their referendum.

So one rule for the Brexit referendum, You have said on many an occasion we made our bed now we must lie on it, but the Scots get a rerun even though they won't know what they are voting for priceless

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's quite funny how it's not seen as the same thing tbh

Well it's not tbh

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So one rule for the Brexit referendum, You have said on many an occasion we made our bed now we must lie on it, but the Scots get a rerun even though they won't know what they are voting for priceless

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So one rule for the Brexit referendum, You have said on many an occasion ion we made our bed now we must lie on it, but the Scots get a rerun even though they won't know what they are voting for priceless

The situation is completely different, the Scottish referendum was held prior to the EU Ref which pretty much showed the world that Scotland has no say in what happens in the union. The slogans that the 'in' side used 'Better Together' turned out to be 'Better as England's bitch'.

The consequences of leaving the EU were laid bare for all to see for months beforehand yet Leavers chose to make the wrong decision anyway, they deserve what they're gonna get but Scotland didn't vote to remain in the UK to have no say in what happens. I think it's very fair that they get a do-over because the situation has changed, Scotland has been thrust into uncertain waters through no choice of their own, I think NI are entitled to leave if they wish as well.

The EU situation hasn't changed, it was a bad prospect when Leave won and it's still a bad prospect now. To compare it to the Scottish Referendum is rather flawed logic because that situation has changed.

Keep trying, Cherie.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well it's not tbh

No its not. The level of control that the EU has / had over the day to day running of the UK is MASSIVELY exaggerated by Brexit supporters who would have you believe that the country was effectively being run from Brussels... Which is ridiculous.

Whereas the day to day running of Scotland IS controlled and restricted to a large extent by London.

[Tregard]

"They'd be being asked to make a decision without all the crucial information"

That's never been a problem in the past, Theresa

[the truth]

Originally Posted by arista

They can have it
Once we are out of the Corrupt EU
in 2019.

OK Greg.

agreed
the scots voted to remain in the uk , knowing full well a EU referendum was coming the next year or 2 as promised
That means we still have a UK government who have the right to put off a scottish referendum during their time in governance
Another referendum now in the middle of brexit article 50 would be frankly insane and it shows exactly how horrific sturgeon and the SNP are. They dont really give a damn about the UK or the british people , they simply want to succeed on their one and only policy to break up the UK and pick up their euro cheques

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No its not. The level of control that the EU has / had over the day to day running of the UK is MASSIVELY exaggerated by Brexit supporters who would have you believe that the country was effectively being run from Brussels... Which is ridiculous.

Whereas the day to day running of Scotland IS controlled and restricted to a large extent by London.

That is all absolutely incorrect and a contradiction too
If you count all EU regulations, EU-related Acts of Parliament, and EU-related Statutory Instruments, about 62% of laws introduced between 1993 and 2014 that apply in the UK implemented EU obligations

[Liberty4eva]

Scotland: too small to be its own country. Too big to be an insane asylum.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The situation is completely different, the Scottish referendum was held prior to the EU Ref which pretty much showed the world that Scotland has no say in what happens in the union. The slogans that the 'in' side used 'Better Together' turned out to be 'Better as England's bitch'.

The consequences of leaving the EU were laid bare for all to see for months beforehand yet Leavers chose to make the wrong decision anyway, they deserve what they're gonna get but Scotland didn't vote to remain in the UK to have no say in what happens. I think it's very fair that they get a do-over because the situation has changed, Scotland has been thrust into uncertain waters through no choice of their own, I think NI are entitled to leave if they wish as well.

The EU situation hasn't changed, it was a bad prospect when Leave won and it's still a bad prospect now. To compare it to the Scottish Referendum is rather flawed logic because that situation has changed.

Keep trying, Cherie.

The situation hasn't changed in Scotland, there was never any misunderstanding that they were voting to stay in the U.K. and that any future decisions would be taken by the UK as a whole, yes the referendum was based on lies and misinformation from both sides, the EU vote was based on lies and misinformation from both sides, yet you only champion a Scottish rerun and you want NI to go it alone when the two main parties can't even agree on power sharing most of the time, you have no logic at all

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by the truth

agreed
the scots voted to remain in the uk , knowing full well a EU referendum was coming the next year or 2 as promised
That means we still have a UK government who have the right to put off a scottish referendum during their time in governance
Another referendum now in the middle of brexit article 50 would be frankly insane and it shows exactly how horrific sturgeon and the SNP are. They dont really give a damn about the UK or the british people , they simply want to succeed on their one and only policy to break up the UK and pick up their euro cheques

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Tregard

"They'd be being asked to make a decision without all the crucial information"

That's never been a problem in the past, Theresa

True

[Cherie]

Can London stay in the EU as we voted in as well? How's that for flawed logic

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Telling the Scots what they can and can't do......like what you all were pissed at the EU for doing.....same thing

Tbf though as long as theres a government theres always going to be someone telling the people what to do whether that country is independent or not, SNP were told that the last referendum was a once in a generation vote, Scotland knew this and voted to stay in the union, Nicola and the rest of the SNP should be respecting that vote but they never will because independence has been the sole point of the party since the beginning, the divide in this country has only just began to heal since the last ref and now it's started again. IMO the PM is right, this isn't the time, not until we all find out whats going on and going to happen after bexit.

[arista]

"now it's started again."

Yes and Scotland
can have a 2nd vote after the UK
is fully out of the EU.
Not before.

[Toy Soldier]

I suppose doing it after brexit is done and dusted isn't a terrible idea. If it really is the "great British promised land" then we can stay... And if it's as **** as any unbiased economist thinks it will be then we'll be desperate to leave and "out" will win by a landslide . Not a terrible scenario, I guess. In truth I don't think enough has changed yet for the voting percentages to be much different; I think there would be a small shift but it would only be maybe 53% to 47% (remain in UK still winning). After Brexit, when the UK is floundering and Scotland (and the north of England) is being thrown under the bus as London closes ranks to protect itself, people might actually wake up and realise where they sit in the Tory / Westminster pecking order.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I suppose doing it after brexit is done and dusted isn't a terrible idea. If it really is the "great British promised land" then we can stay... And if it's as **** as any unbiased economist thinks it will be then we'll be desperate to leave and "out" will win by a landslide . Not a terrible scenario, I guess. In truth I don't think enough has changed yet for the voting percentages to be much different; I think there would be a small shift but it would only be maybe 53% to 47% (remain in UK still winning). After Brexit, when the UK is floundering and Scotland (and the north of England) is being thrown under the bus as London closes ranks to protect itself, people might actually wake up and realise where they sit in the Tory / Westminster pecking order.

How convenient that all the unbiased economists are opposed to Brexit and apparently predict gloom and doom. Do you know them all personally TS?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39293513

The PM is right. This not the time. They had a referendum not long ago and many Scott's don't want it.

Sturgeon is trying to take advantage of Brexit hoping that any hostility against Brexit will emerge with a vote in favour of Scottish independence. She is nothing if not totally transparent.