[Elliot]

Cameron is the most negative person in there what

[Rob!]

I love that people who claim to watch the show and love it seem to forget that the 45 minutes we see isn’t ALL that happens. They are stuck in there with only their own thoughts and the same people all day, in fact I would argue that Cameron and Lewis are illustrative of that more than any housemates in a long time.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Rob!

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

Well done, Rob. An excellent post.

It is so, so sad to see so much cynicism about Cameron's decision to come out as he did. I think people forget how young he is, and how, at 18, he is still discovering his identity and trying to come to terms with it. This was no game plan.

From what his dad said on BOTS, a lot of the people closest to him already know, and he just didn't get the chance to tell everyone he wanted to before entering the house. I think being around such a diverse range of people in the house probably made him feel that it's totally okay to just be who he is without feeling the need to hide it, and hence the environment was right for him to come out - it was a safe environment where I feel he knew he would be accepted for who he is.

Cameron should be so, so proud of himself to have the courage to do what he did, and credit to the other housemates for making him feel secure enough to do so.

I'm so glad that his dad was so proud of him on BOTS.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

No not really? Just seeing through someone for what they are

I don’t look for flaws in people at all, I just can spot a fraud when I see one.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Cameron is the most negative person in there what

You missed my point entirely.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

Babay it's not about "looking for faults" , we're just not gullible and we figure things out instead of following like sheep.

The facts are there , none of Cameron's actions make sense and he even used the word "plan" in such a premeditated way when Cian threw him off guard . He's probably been planning this storyline for months !!!.

[Babayaro.]

There's no point in me even going on anymore. You can't change cynical people.

[Elliot]

If only we could change Cameron and his cynical ways

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

If only we could change Cameron and his cynical ways

See, this is what I was talking about lmao - judging him on how he is as a housemate. I agree, he can be very miserable and moody a lot, but all of that is irrelevant to the topic currently being discussed.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But he has said it, over and over again. To many different people, in many scenarios. Including once in the diary room where it was even more obvious than when he was telling the housemates. All while pretending to be cryptic but actually being as obvious as one can be without yelling 'I am gay' at the top of ones voice.

This is what I did

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

Totally agree with you here.

It seems that sometimes people decide they don't like a housemate and then everything they do and say is interpreted negatively. I think it's important to remember that no-one is all good or all bad, and that human beings are much more complex than that.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Well done, Rob. An excellent post.

It is so, so sad to see so much cynicism about Cameron's decision to come out as he did. I think people forget how young he is, and how, at 18, he is still discovering his identity and trying to come to terms with it. This was no game plan.

From what his dad said on BOTS, a lot of the people closest to him already know, and he just didn't get the chance to tell everyone he wanted to before entering the house. I think being around such a diverse range of people in the house probably made him feel that it's totally okay to just be who he is without feeling the need to hide it, and hence the environment was right for him to come out - it was a safe environment where I feel he knew he would be accepted for who he is.

Cameron should be so, so proud of himself to have the courage to do what he did, and credit to the other housemates for making him feel secure enough to do so.

I'm so glad that his dad was so proud of him on BOTS.

...great response.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Hmm
Someone coming out on live tv before telling their family
Hmmm

This.

But also if he didn't want to come out on national TV then he didn't need to keep making an issue of it in front of the other Housemates, it might sound insensitive to say but there have been quite a few closeted gay contestants on BBUK over the years and none of them used it like it was a storyline out of EastEnders.

[Daniel-X]

I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

No not really? Just seeing through someone for what they are

I don’t look for flaws in people at all, I just can spot a fraud when I see one.

You state this as a fact, but it is actually only an opinion.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

He clearly want's to pretend he's Matt Lucas' character from Little Britain and act like he's the only gay in the village , and pretend everyone is against him . Despite nobody caring . And i'm fed up of his age being brought up aswell , he's not a small child! , he might act like one but he's an adult ! .

If everything was that difficult and worrying for him he wouldn't of gone on BB in the first place and he would of kept his secret a SECRET ! .

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Babay it's not about "looking for faults" , we're just not gullible and we figure things out instead of following like sheep.
.

I've agreed with a lot of what you have said about housemates this series, and you've made some excellent posts.

However, it's not at all fair to refer to people with a different opinion to yours as 'gullible' and unable to 'figure things out instead of following like sheep'. This is just condescending and putting people down.

The fact is, you and lots of other people have one opinion, whereas others have a different opinion. But the fact is, all this is only OPINION.

[Elliot]

It’s also not fair to condescend and call people cynical for having an opinion on Cameron

[Amy Jade]

I wear my cynical badge with pride. Rather be a cynic than gullible.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

Which imo is a silly statement to make from those members.

If anything not being gay probably means that the straight members of the Forum are less likely to be emotionally involved on the subject and can smell bull**** when they see it.

But tbh on a show like Big Brother we all come away with different opinions from what we see which is the beauty of the programme, so having people trying to shut debate down is just gonna build resentment towards Cameron even more.

Btw I know that you're not doing this Oliver_W.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I've agreed with a lot of what you have said about housemates this series, and you've made some excellent posts.

However, it's not at all fair to refer to people with a different opinion to yours as 'gullible' and unable to 'figure things out instead of following like sheep'. This is just condescending and putting people down.

The fact is, you and lots of other people have one opinion, whereas others have a different opinion. But the fact is, all this is only OPINION.

That's fine i understand .

But I don't expect you to have the same opinion as me , this is why this is a forum full of debates & different discussions . I'm just not falling for Cameron's "coming out" story , yes i've said i'm cynical about things but in this case i think it's justified . But we're all free to believe what we want of course .

[bitontheslide]

I'm a cynic myself, and i would also say that announcing it in a game show opens it up to be questioned whereas in any "normal" circumstance, anybody worth bothering about it wouldnt bat an eyelid

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I love that people who claim to watch the show and love it seem to forget that the 45 minutes we see isn’t ALL that happens. They are stuck in there with only their own thoughts and the same people all day, in fact I would argue that Cameron and Lewis are illustrative of that more than any housemates in a long time.

This argument can be used for every single Housemate on Ch5 when they've done something that's debatable on the Forum.

I'd like to believe that he is being genuine, but it does feel like he is trying to tick things off in his mind that he thinks will make himself standout enough to win the show.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But tbh on a show like Big Brother we all come away with different opinions from what we see which is the beauty of the programme, so having people trying to shut debate down is just gonna build resentment.

This is a really important point. Just like in real life we will all have different perceptions of people, motives and actions, and we won't all like or trust the same people. And you're so right - it is the beauty of BB.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That's fine i understand .

But I don't expect you to have the same opinion as me , this is why this is a forum full of debates & different discussions . I'm just not falling for Cameron's "coming out" story , yes i've said i'm cynical about things but in this case i think it's justified . But we're all free to believe what we want of course .

Don't Worry GoldHeart I'm the biggest cynic and conspiracy theorist on the Forum.

Btw credit to Babayaro for having one of the most active threads this week.

I love it when the Forum has a heated debate.