[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Cersei and Jaime are villainous characters where as we're meant to be rooting for Jon and Daenarys yet they're giving them such a disturbing romance.

And as to rapists in the show, if one of them was to be portrayed as a protagonist then I'd object to that too.

Jaime isn't really a villainous character, most of the characters can be a bit of both tbf

[Toy Soldier]

As far as I know, GRRM informed the writers of major plot elements (major battles, character deaths, the undead dragon, etc.) so that it wouldn't stray too far from his story, so it's likely that the Jon and Dany storyline is one of those...

As to the thread question; it's a tough call really. The early seasons were much better in terms of character development and political intrigue, the latter ones much better in terms of increasing the dramatic pace and action sequences. I wouldn't say either is better or worse, really... the reason the action in latter seasons has impact is because of the character development from earlier seasons, and likewise, 8 seasons all at a slow / political pace wouldn't have worked and it needed to eventually build to a larger conclusion.

I guess compare it to LOTR; you start with a lot of in depth description of the settings, a smaller number of characters all banded together, small individual stories and then by the end you have the huge, sweeping battles. It's the same sort of thing really.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jaime isn't really a villainous character, most of the characters can be a bit of both tbf

He is considerably more villainous than Jon and Daenarys is more my point.

Also away from having two of the protagonists having an incestuous relationship with each other, the rushed nature of it is also dire imo, they meet up in episode 3 of season 7, yet they start having mad feelings for each other by episode 5 of season 7 which no matter how the show tries to brush it up is dire writing imo.

Tbf it's not my only issue with the later on seasons compared to earlier seasons, it's just it stands out a lot more than most of the other ropey elements in the later seasons (maybe with the exception of The Sparrow storyline) so it's why I mentioned it as one of the biggest problems with the programme for me personally.

[Tony Montana]

I need to watch this show. It feels like I’m one of the few people on the planet who doesn’t watch it

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

I need to watch this show. It feels like I’m one of the few people on the planet who doesn’t watch it

It is a very good show tbf, a very well made one anyway.

It's just like any show as it gets older it does have more ropey writing now compared to the early days.

[Ramsay]

Its gotten better as its gone on

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It is a very good show tbf, a very well made one anyway.

It's just like any show as it gets older it does have more ropey writing now compared to the early days.

My cousins are massive, die-hard fans of this show, They love it with a passion. They're always trying to get me into it. I've only ever watched the first two episodes of season 1. My jaw dropped when Jaime pushed Bran out of the window.

Other than that, I've only seen clips on youtube of the major events (Ned's beheading, Joffrey's death etc)

It's ironic that I'm not into this show that much since I love anything Fantasy related (The Lord of the Rings being my all time fav Fantasy work )


I'll try to watch all 7 seasons in time for the last season

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jaime isn't really a villainous character, most of the characters can be a bit of both tbf

Really? Someone who attempted to kill an innocent 10-year-old boy isn't a villain?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Really? Someone who attempted to kill an innocent 10-year-old boy isn't a villain?

You have to watch farther on

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You have to watch farther on

Will do, I'll official start watching it in march from the beginning.

Who's your fav character? from the clips I've seen, I'll say it's between Daenerys and Tyrion

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Will do, I'll official start watching it in march from the beginning.

Who's your fav character? from the clips I've seen, I'll say it's between Daenerys and Tyrion

Arya and Jon Snow

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Arya and Jon Snow

I like Arya. She's probably my favourite out of Ned's Kids. Jon Snow is also cool

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

He is considerably more villainous than Jon and Daenarys is more my point.

Jon Snow, yes, as Jon is essentially one of the only (maybe THE only) major character who hasn't done anything villainous at all. Daenerys though..? Questionable. She's done some pretty "morally grey" things, all throughout, but especially in the last 3 seasons.

Incest aside (lolz), the attempted murder of Bran was pretty much the worst thing Jaime has done thus far, and it wasn't a random act it was to try to cover up something (yes something... err... very dodgy) that would have destroyed him / his family / the royal line. The rest of what he's could all be considered simple wartime tactics, and his tactics are actually "cleaner" than a lot of others, including bonafide "good guys" like Daenerys and Tyrion. He's shown (again, incest aside!) personal morals many times right from the start. He respected Ned and was horrified when he was executed. He's tried to help various characters and

Spoiler:

Has now essentially become a deserter to go and join the fight against the White Walkers, when he has previously been all about loyalty / the Lannister name

In contrast;

Spoiler:

- Dany AND Tyrion have burned people alive (Dragons and Wildfire respectively)

- Arya has assassinated now countless people, including baking Walder Frey's sons in a pie, when there's no evidence that those Freys have done anything other than being related to Walder Frey

- Sansa has done all sorts of scheming etc. and has only REALLY turned properly "good" in the last two seasons

- Bran has gotten pretty much all of his friends killed looking after him and accidentally ****ed up Hodor through time (though you could argue isn't directly responsible)

The list goes on of course. "Good" characters are few and far between in GoT. Jon Snow, Brienne, I suppose Sam (but he's pretty much just a Jon Snow sidekick).

You have a few outright nasty ones like Joffrey and Ramsay Snow. Cersei is borderline nasty but the character's reasons are well developed. No one else on the "bad side" is really much worse than most of those on the "good side". But then, that's kind of the point.

[Toy Soldier]

I think they illustrate the whole thing well with Jamie and Tyrion's relationship. They like each other, as brothers they're good "friends", they laugh and enjoy each other's company every time they meet. But they have thus far very rarely found themselves on the same side when it comes to war / the bigger picture.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

My cousins are massive, die-hard fans of this show, They love it with a passion. They're always trying to get me into it. I've only ever watched the first two episodes of season 1. My jaw dropped when Jaime pushed Bran out of the window.

Other than that, I've only seen clips on youtube of the major events (Ned's beheading, Joffrey's death etc)

It's ironic that I'm not into this show that much since I love anything Fantasy related (The Lord of the Rings being my all time fav Fantasy work )


I'll try to watch all 7 seasons in time for the last season

If you're into Fantasy stories then there's not really many Fantasy Shows out there better than GOT at the moment so you should definitely check it out.

And tbf every season does normally pack a punch (even the ropey season 5) so you'll never feel like you're wasting your time watching any given season.

My favourite characters are Tyrion, Arya, Little Finger, Varys, Cersei, and Joffry (although not many will agree with me on this one lol) and one of my main issues in the later on seasons for me is all of my favourites have either been killed off, became underdeveloped, or given terrible storylines whilst besides the incestuous storyline for Jon, he gets all of the big battles and events nowadays, the show has lost it's balance a little bit for me personally, but as I've already said the show always has it's moments and if you're a Jon Snow fan then season 5-7 will be a blast for you.

[Niamh.]

I have a theory why the Jon/Danerys love story is vital to how the story ends and not just a lets cave to the Shippers type thing

Spoiler:

I think that Jon will turn out to be The Prince that was promised/Azor Ahai (his is the song of Ice and Fire is a quote related to him which would fit with Jon since his dad would be fire and his mother Ice as he's half Tragaryen and half Stark) He will have to forge the sword (lightbringer) to kill the white walkers and save everyone but like the original Azor Ahai had to kill his wife and use her blood to make the sword, Jon will have to kill Dany to make his. I think she will sacrifice herself rather than him just killing her

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If you're into Fantasy stories then there's not really many Fantasy Shows out there better than GOT at the moment so you should definitely check it out.

And tbf every season does normally pack a punch (even the ropey season 5) so you'll never feel like you're wasting your time watching any given season.

My favourite characters are Tyrion, Arya, Little Finger, Varys, Cersei, and Joffry (although not many will agree with me on this one lol) and one of my main issues in the later on seasons for me is all of my favourites have either been killed off, became underdeveloped, or given terrible storylines whilst besides the incestuous storyline for Jon, he gets all of the big battles and events nowadays, the show has lost it's balance a little bit for me personally, but as I've already said the show always has it's moments and if you're a Jon Snow fan then season 5-7 will be a blast for you.

I'll definitely start watching it in March

How would you rank the seasons?

[Daniel.]

Its never not good

The books are called A Song of Ice and Fire - Daenarys dragons fire and Jon at the eall - ice. It was always going to happen

5 is the weakest season

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Its never not good

The books are called A Song of Ice and Fire - Daenarys dragons fire and Jon at the eall - ice. It was always going to happen

5 is the weakest season

What's the best season? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't season 4 its peak? Everyone was talking about it back in 2014. Joffrey's hatred was at an all time high

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

What's the best season? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't season 4 its peak? Everyone was talking about it back in 2014. Joffrey's hatred was at an all time high

My faves are 3/4/6

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

I'll definitely start watching it in March

How would you rank the seasons?

My rankings go as this.

1. Season 3
2. Season 4
3. Season 1
4. Season 2
5. Season 6
6. Season 7
7. Season 5

Every season does have it's moments of brilliance though imo.

[bitontheslide]

i've liked every series, but each for different reasons. GoT is quite unique because it sees the good in bad characters and also the bad in good characters.

I'm not a fan of Jon Snow so I hope he gets taken out .... everyone is kind of expecting him to be victorious .... which is always a bad place to be on GoT

[Niamh.]

Best episode of the whole thing so far was from Season 6

Spoiler:

Battle of the Bastards

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Best episode of the whole thing so far was from Season 6

Spoiler:

Battle of the Bastards

oh no ... i was too upset about the giant

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

oh no ... i was too upset about the giant

I know that was so sad

Spoiler:

Ramsay finally getting caught though, Episode 10 was very satisfying aswell