[Livia]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair

And legally, the UK can ask for that to happen.

[thesheriff443]

She will be back in this country without doubt, we already keep murderers from this country and others live the cushy life in prison and then let uk killers back on the street and some times we send foreign killers back home.

We should kill the muderers and spend the money it cost on keeping them on good people, plus killing them sets the tone, that if you kill you will be killed.

[bitontheslide]

Do we still have an "arrangement" with Australia

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair

That’s my view too.

The baby should be taken into care or looked after by a decent family who won’t radicalise it and she should be handed over to the Syrian government.

There’s enough radicalisation going on in UK prisons we don’t need anymore.Then if she’s released in ten years time its going to cost millions in surveillance to monitor her for the rest of her life.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't "want mercy", I'm not making any comment on what we do with her once she's back under our supervision, I just think that's where she should be. I keep saying that my concern is for the people around her and what she might end up doing where she is, not for her personal safety and comfort, but that's just being ignored for whatever reason.

It gets ignored because it doesn't fit in with what people want to believe you're saying.

[MTVN]

I believe she's currently in territory held by the Kurds though so it's not as simple as her being tried in Syria.. they are still busy fighting a civil war there and can't be holding trials for the thousands of people who lived in IS territory. Plus we don't have a relationship with the Syrian government atm

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She will be back in this country without doubt, we already keep murderers from this country and others live the cushy life in prison and then let uk killers back on the street and some times we send foreign killers back home.

We should kill the muderers and spend the money it cost on keeping them on good people, plus killing them sets the tone, that if you kill you will be killed.

Have you ever been to prison? I always find that the whole 'holiday park' narrative that gets thrown around in regards to prison life often comes from people who have never been.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I believe she's currently in territory held by the Kurds though so it's not as simple as her being tried in Syria.. they are still busy fighting a civil war there and can't be holding trials for the thousands of people who lived in IS territory. Plus we don't have a relationship with the Syrian government atm

Syria currently doesn't have the infrastructure for basic food and sanitation, let alone a functioning courts system. The idea that she should be "tried there" is a fantasy, might as well suggest she be tried in Narnia.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Syria currently doesn't have the infrastructure for basic food and sanitation, let alone a functioning courts system. The idea that she should be "tried there" is a fantasy, might as well suggest she be tried in Narnia.

she could be tried in iraq just as easily

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

she could be tried in iraq just as easily

Why would Iraq want to put someone from the UK, who was active in Syria, through their court and prison system? Why on earth are we expecting them to? "We don't want to deal with them here... send them to dusty, still-half-broken Iraq". Is it just a case of "anyone's problem but ours" with this?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why would Iraq want to put someone from the UK, who was active in Syria, through their court and prison system? Why on earth are we expecting them to? "We don't want to deal with them here... send them to dusty, still-half-broken Iraq". Is it just a case of "anyone's problem but ours" with this?

it may have escaped your notice but isis did cause a bit of havoc in iraq

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it may have escaped your notice but isis did cause a bit of havoc in iraq

Yeah but she's not a citizen of Iraq and she didn't commit any crimes in Iraq and she isn't in Iraq now so why would they just volunteer to take her and deal with her? Sorry BOTS but that's bizarre logic

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

People keep saying she's Britain's responsibility when we have every right under law to strip her of her citizenship. And actually no, I don't want her on my doorstep, or anyone else's doorstep. The safety and security of the British public is the only thing anyone should be worried about.

Yet you would expect other countries to take their criminals back when they come to this country.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but she's not a citizen of Iraq and she didn't commit any crimes in Iraq and she isn't in Iraq now so why would they just volunteer to take her and deal with her? Sorry BOTS but that's bizarre logic

the isis caliphate stretched from iraq in to syria, so it was the one entity. Either country could legitimately hold isis members responsible.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the isis caliphate stretched from iraq in to syria, so it was the one entity. Either country could legitimately hold isis members responsible.

The UK could also legitimately hold its own criminals responsible.

[Kazanne]

I feel more for these peoples feelings myself. No doubt the liar Shamima Begum will be changing her statement if she sees her beliefs will stand in her way of coming back.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yet you would expect other countries to take their criminals back when they come to this country.

They are generally imprisoned here are they not unless they are found to be here illegally?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The UK could also legitimately hold its own criminals responsible.

Apparently she is not a criminal according to herself she is just a housewife, so she can get in line behind the other refugees in the camp, she put herself in Syria voluntarily, its only now that its all gone a bit tom tit that she wants to come back, odd that isn't it, her family have asked her numerous times to come back and she has said no

[bitontheslide]

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

Exactly.....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Apparently she is not a criminal according to herself she is just a housewife

So? A host of child rapists believe they've done nothing wrong. Doesn't make it true.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So? A host of child rapists believe they've done nothing wrong. Doesn't make it true.

What are we going to put her on trial for?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Exactly.....

We love a like-for-like comparison.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I feel more for these peoples feelings myself. No doubt the liar Shamima Begum will be changing her statement if she sees her beliefs will stand in her way of coming back.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

But the stance was criticised by Tory MP Andrew Mitchell, a former international development secretary, who said: 'We cannot just close our eyes and pull up the drawbridge.'

Rare for me to agree with a Tory... hmm.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

Has she been jailed? That's a pretty major development, I'm surprised it's not been in the news.