[bitontheslide]

Taking an objective view, a statement made under oath takes precedence over one not under oath. There is no legal ramification for people lying their teeth off about events that happened years ago, when their subject is now dead.

That director is clearly not objective in his reasoning and that will have completely tainted his documentary. Does that mean Jackson is innocent? No it doesn't, but it doesnt mean he is guilty either

[Kazanne]

Bloody Hell Harrison Ford better be careful,he showed that kid how to use his bullwhip, this just seems to be the two guys reliving the fact they got to be with someone famous,the mother seems really enamoured by it all

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The random nonsensical Ted Bundy comparison.

And Piers didn't get very far when he was asking about the money factor of it all.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are we watching?

Yes grim

[LeatherTrumpet]

Ok so I kind of don't think he is lying

[Marsh.]

I kind of do think he is lying.

[Kazanne]

I think he is lying as he has form.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Is he gay?

[Kazanne]

I didn't really want to watch this at all as I didn't want to give creedence to that director as no doubt this will be a ratings smash and make him the money he knew it would,but if I want to make up my mind properly I have to watch it , but seen nothing yet as proof of what he is accused of.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ok so I kind of don't think he is lying

Me neither

[Niamh.]

I mean the relationships were weird as **** for an adult man to have with kids. How people can deny that is just odd

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Taking an objective view, a statement made under oath takes precedence over one not under oath. There is no legal ramification for people lying their teeth off about events that happened years ago, when their subject is now dead.

That director is clearly not objective in his reasoning and that will have completely tainted his documentary. Does that mean Jackson is innocent? No it doesn't, but it doesnt mean he is guilty either

Agree

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean the relationships were weird as **** for an adult man to have with kids. How people can deny that is just odd

Oh it was strange. Just not evidence of pedophilia.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh it was strange. Just not evidence of pedophilia.

It's highly unlikely to be anything else though lbr

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh it was strange. Just not evidence of pedophilia.

Well a man saying he wanked him off as a child would be a start

[Kazanne]

Considering their ages at the time they have extraordinary memories. Blasey- Ford was mocked because she couldn't remember some details about her own sexual abuse when she was seventeen.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well a man saying he wanked him off as a child would be a start

A man who could also be lying

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

A man who could also be lying

Even taking out everything they say, just what we could actually see is ****ed up

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Even taking out everything they say, just what we could actually see is ****ed up

What have you seen that has ****ed you up

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What have you seen that has ****ed you up

Oh Kazanne like you would have left your kids sleep with a 30 odd year old "lonely" man and think nothing of it, come off the stage

[AnnieK]

Kaz, serious question....were/are you a massive MJ fan? I'm struggling a little to understand that you don't think its slightly weird that a grown man would think its ok to share a bed with a child....and you still defend it. I agree hugely with TS in that whether or not you think anything dodgy went on or not, you have to see that the way he swapped his "favourites" as they aged is not strange at best, cruel at worst? Even if the sexual abuse didn't happen, what he did is is abuse to a child that age, in their mind its tantamount to neglect and abandonment.

[Vicky.]

I need to watch this latest documentary I think. I do think its highly likely he was dodgy as ****. Yes I think its partly to do with his own life but, thats not really an excuse. I do suspect that some parents of the kids who were sent to stay at his were seeking compensation..because come on, everyone knew the rumours, which responsible parent would allow their kid to sleep in a bed with him? Really. This does not mean the kids were complicit in their own abuse mind, but I do think some of the parents are suspect.

And also, I love MJs music, a lot of it anyway. Its going to be a bit of a pain in the arse if it ends like Glitters, where I am not allowed to play it at work as a lot of his songs are instant dancefloor fillers!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

A man who could also be lying

I'm relatively old and Iv had a life. I've studied criminals at degree level, I'm not daft, Iv been to jail's, nothing Iv seen tonight says they are lying

[Niamh.]

I agree though the parents were totally irresponsible and failed to protect their children

[LeatherTrumpet]

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