[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1tGqn4jXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2jCPOi0-4

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive seen people on Facebook/Twitter openly say he should be excused because he made good music ..Now how sick is that ?

Honestly not even shocking but pretty sick

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nah I doubt he brainwashed him, he probably did introduce him to addiction though and probably abused hom also...maybe culkin himself has a yearning for young boys and maybe that's his reluctance to testify.

There's a lot of "probablies " in your assumptions as that's all it is , wild assumptions.

So now you think Culkin is predatory as well?? .

[UserSince2005]

Hell is too good for this ****

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Hell is too good for this ****

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's a lot of "probablies " in your assumptions as that's all it is , wild assumptions.

So now you think Culkin is predatory as well?? .

So you are presuming YOUR ideas ( as thats all they are, YOU have no proof either ) are right, and other peoples ideas are wrong ? How arrogant

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's a lot of "probablies " in your assumptions as that's all it is , wild assumptions.

So now you think Culkin is predatory as well?? .

I think there is a good chance he is...I take it from your assumptions you don't?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's a lot of "probablies " in your assumptions as that's all it is , wild assumptions.

So now you think Culkin is predatory as well?? .

Seems many had already made their minds up that he was a child molester , and don't even doubt it ,even with his acquittal ,people it seems want to believe he did the things he did, so that's up to them , personally I have seen nothing to confirm he is what they think , so I will continue to play his music , watch his videos and admire the artist he was .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Seems many had already made their minds up that he was a child molester , and don't even doubt it ,even with his acquittal ,people it seems want to believe he did the things he did, so that's up to them , personally I have seen nothing to confirm he is what they think , so I will continue to play his music , watch his videos and admire the artist he was .

Yeah exactly and I also like his music, but even if I didn't I still wouldn't automatically think he's a paedophile . It's weird how 2 guys who have lied under oath are now seen as gospel truth .

I don't trust people like that . And why keep gifts if they've been through traumatic events .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

So you are presuming YOUR ideas ( as thats all they are, YOU have no proof either ) are right, and other peoples ideas are wrong ? How arrogant

No one is saying who is right and wrong we are just giving our perceptions of what we have seen, we all have different views, I saw nothing in that 'story' last night to make me change my mind , infact some of it was making me feel I was right , they are out to make money, but that is just my opinion and no doubt Goldhearts aswell , I know you think Cliff Richards is guilty aswell Chuff but again there is no proof so we have to believe he is innocent, People seem to ignore the posts that explain how he was scrutinised by the FBI,child services etc, for 4 years, why do you think people aren't interested in that,just the smut that makes money and is sensationalised.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah exactly and I also like his music, but even if I didn't I still wouldn't automatically think he's a paedophile . It's weird how 2 guys who have lied under oath are now seen as gospel truth .

I don't trust people like that . And why keep gifts if they've been through traumatic events .

Me neither,I've said before once a liar ,always a liar , as for the gifts,unbelievable he kept them,maybe he will sell them now,they will fetch so much more than before.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's a lot of "probablies " in your assumptions as that's all it is , wild assumptions.

So now you think Culkin is predatory as well?? .

Well he did travel to a paedophile island on Thialand where he caught a disease.......from a cat.....then it wasn't a cat it was red meat......I think it was some bodies bleeding bottom myself.

[Livia]

Having watched the programme and listened to all the unsubstantiated circumstantial evidence and hearsay, I believe it less than I did yesterday.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well he did travel to a paedophile island on Thialand where he caught a disease.......from a cat.....then it wasn't a cat it was red meat......I think it was some bodies bleeding bottom myself.

Jesus Parmy get a grip what makes you think of things like that ? really

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jesus Parmy get a grip what makes you think of things like that ? really

Well I'm not the one changing my story from contracting it from a cat to some uncooked meat I ate...I'm not the one catching diseases on an island renowned for its paedophile visitors....once a liar always a liar...on this occasion, I think it's true.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one is saying who is right and wrong we are just giving our perceptions of what we have seen, we all have different views, I saw nothing in that 'story' last night to make me change my mind , infact some of it was making me feel I was right , they are out to make money, but that is just my opinion and no doubt Goldhearts aswell , I know you think Cliff Richards is guilty aswell Chuff but again there is no proof so we have to believe he is innocent, People seem to ignore the posts that explain how he was scrutinised by the FBI,child services etc, for 4 years, why do you think people aren't interested in that,just the smut that makes money and is sensationalised.

We will agree to disagree over this , but IMO IF he didn't have the money to pay for the best lawyers in USA,and not just one lawyer, he had several top lawyers ....He would have been locked up where IMO he deserved to be ,and yes I do believe Cliff is also a paedophile who's fame, money and hiding behind God is keeping him safe, he will be another who will only be outed once dead due to fear

[Scarlett.]

I swear all of this already happened once before, not sure why the media are suddenly so surprised by the allegations.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I swear all of this already happened once before, not sure why the media are suddenly so surprised by the allegations.

Its because its in 2 Hour Docu' for double day
special editing
Extending ever interview longer

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I swear all of this already happened once before, not sure why the media are suddenly so surprised by the allegations.

Before, Michael Jackson walked out of court with all charges cleared.

[LeatherTrumpet]

spoiler details from tonites show

Spoiler:

Robson claims Jackson tried to have anal sex with him when he was 14

In one of the most disturbing moments of the second part of Leaving Neverland, Robson recalls a time where he had begun teaching dance choreography, and was invited to watch Jackson’s rehearsals for his History world tour.

“I don’t remember how exactly it evolved to this,” Robson says. “But what ended up happening is, Michael tried to penetrate me in my anus, with his penis. Trying for a while, I guess he was able to a bit, but it was really painful, too painful for me. So he stopped.”

“I don’t remember us talking about it, or acting like anything particularly different had happened. We kind of went back to our regular sexual routine.”

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

spoiler details from tonites show

Spoiler:

Robson claims Jackson tried to have anal sex with him when he was 14

In one of the most disturbing moments of the second part of Leaving Neverland, Robson recalls a time where he had begun teaching dance choreography, and was invited to watch Jackson’s rehearsals for his History world tour.

“I don’t remember how exactly it evolved to this,” Robson says. “But what ended up happening is, Michael tried to penetrate me in my anus, with his penis. Trying for a while, I guess he was able to a bit, but it was really painful, too painful for me. So he stopped.”

“I don’t remember us talking about it, or acting like anything particularly different had happened. We kind of went back to our regular sexual routine.”

So more of the same and why the need does he have to be so graphic ? but of course it does make it all so much more intriguing !! any peado watching that will be getting their rocks off.

[Toy Soldier]

Youtube video

Worth watching; he speaks a lot of sense whether you happen to believe the allegations or not.

[Toy Soldier]

Feldman also talks about why it's pointless to go into watching something like this if you've already made up your mind that they're lying. Which is quite relevant to this thread, IMO.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So more of the same and why the need does he have to be so graphic ? but of course it does make it all so much more intriguing !! any peado watching that will be getting their rocks off.

Yeah feels like he's deliberately making it sound more & more graphic for the shock factor.

I'm less & less convinced it happened

[LeatherTrumpet]

thing is all paedos dont abuse all children they come across they abuse the ones they think they can without being caught