[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is Wade Robson lying here on the sofa laughing with the host

Youtube video

That video sums it up

Wade looked like he was having a Eminem complex back then , he knew from then what was right & wrong and he knew exactly what child abuse was . in fact he completely denies it in such a strong way . His family defend MJ as well , so if he knew all along he was being abused this doesn't fit with his story .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is Wade Robson lying here on the sofa laughing with the host

Youtube video

Kazanne there's nothing in that video that we haven't seen 20 times before and hasn't been discussed as many times!

Sorry at this point I have to just say in advance, I listened to what you said about people not watching the video "evidence" you were posting so I've been trying to do the courtesy of actually watching them, but I'm not going to click on any more because it's an utter waste of everyone's time. Half of this "revealing" footage of Robson was in the documentary and yet its being presented here as some sort of evidence. Or rather, "Eviedances Wade are LYING to money gettings" or whatever.

The video shows literally nothing. It shows that some kids who spent time with MJ defend him; we already knew this. It shows that Wade defended him as a kid and in his early 20's; we already knew this. It says "and then he changed his story!"; obviously, we already know this. And people are like "WHY? For what possible reason? How do you explain that?" - - That's what the entire 4 hour documentary is about!

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Also another important inconsistency is Wade claiming the dinner he had at neverland with mj & his family was the moment he felt he had to testify in court for Michael as he didn't want to take mj away from his kids , but that dinner happened after he already stood in court for mj defending him .

I thought the hbo website cut chunks out ,but must be on other websites. I watched a couple YouTube videos about it where both halves was chopped down .

Did he only have one dinner with Michael, in all those years...That's a bit stingy is it not?

[parmnion]

The money thing seems to be the only thing that will hurt mj and his family who are abusing his name...who the he'll do the family think they are?

Easily accepting the bad things michael went through with no proof but oh no...not the bad things he did..bunch of greedy hypocrites just in it for themselves and the money they will lose....

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Did he only have one dinner with Michael, in all those years...That's a bit stingy is it not?

This particular dinner he described was supposed to be before the trial, but turns out it was after he'd already testified. Taj confirmed this.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This particular dinner he described was supposed to be before the trial, but turns out it was after he'd already testified. Taj confirmed this.

Clutching at straws...


How many people can honestly say they remember every time and date of every dinner....


Next people will be posting youtube videos to prove the world's flat or aliens walk among us....youtube.lol.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That video sums it up

Wade looked like he was having a Eminem complex back then , he knew from then what was right & wrong and he knew exactly what child abuse was . in fact he completely denies it in such a strong way . His family defend MJ as well , so if he knew all along he was being abused this doesn't fit with his story .

Watching the docu the other night I saw him dressed as Eminem. ..I thought that he looked so young and impressionable....maybe Michael had him fitted out with the hair and clothes so he could feel like he was abusing Eminem at night.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Clutching at straws...


How many people can honestly say they remember every time and date of every dinner....


Next people will be posting youtube videos to prove the world's flat or aliens walk among us....youtube.lol.

Well the description rang a bell for Taj as Wade said they were ALL there .

You're clutching at straws for thinking it's a different family dinner , I can understand why you'd say it but honestly there's so many contradictions in leaving Neverland that I believe Wade messed up on this detail as well .

[Toy Soldier]

OK so I said I'd have a look and I have. Most of this is from a roughly 20-minute section of the 2nd part starting at around 55 minutes in;

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Things that don't make sense is Wade's wife claiming she had never experienced abuse & has no knowledge of it ,but on their charity page it says she's a survivor of abuse

She says that she didn't know much about it was naive about child abuse and the psychological effects it can have going into adulthood. She certainly never outright says that she hasn't experienced abuse. You could argue that it's implied, I suppose. Then again: I can't find the website where it says she was, either, so I don't know if someone has a link to that?

The birthday message is edited weird & misleading as it was recorded months before Wade's birthday.

I couldn't find this (I'm not rewatching all 4 hours) but I guess I'd ask how anyone claims to know when a message was recorded?

Jimmy says he told his mother in 2005 that mj was a "bad person" , but he's changed that story and said in 2013 that's when he told his mum about the abuse.

As far as the documentary goes, this story doesn't change? He (and she) say that he told his mother in 2005 when she was prying about why he was refusing to testify on Jackson's behalf, but he made her swear not to tell anyone else and that he never wanted to go public. Later he goes on to say that in 2013, seeing Wade talk about the abuse prompted him to contact Wade and then come forward himself. Again, is there a link elsewhere that suggests he now says he told his mum in 2013? Because it doesn't say that in the documentary. It consistently says "told his mum in 2005, asked her not to tell anyone, then told more people (such as his wife) in 2013".

Also another important inconsistency is Wade claiming the dinner he had at neverland with mj & his family was the moment he felt he had to testify in court for Michael as he didn't want to take mj away from his kids , but that dinner happened after he already stood in court for mj defending him

This one seems to be down to a misunderstanding. Wade initially says that he decided to testify because his mum (not MJ's lawyer as I thought, my error) said "Can you imagine someone like Michael in jail?" and said that "Only him and Macaulay could save Michael from that". He then does mention going to the Jackson's for dinner and seeing Paris clinging to Michael's arm, and that that convinced him even more to do it. That dinner was before the trial - he was there with his mother and sister. This is at about 0:55 in part 2. At 1:11 in part 2, Wade describes a completely different dinner that he had at the Jackson house with his wife, not long before MJ died, at which Michael was drinking heavily and went to bed early but his kids didn't seem bothered and said it was pretty normal, and that "that was the last time he saw him" because he died not long after.

I think people must be muddling this up and think he's talking about the same occasion but it's pretty clear watching it back that he's talking about two different dinners several years apart.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This particular dinner he described was supposed to be before the trial, but turns out it was after he'd already testified. Taj confirmed this.

Oh so the only evidence that the dinner was after the testimony is the word of a Jackson family member who is already vocally defending MJ in various ways? FFS that isn't "evidence". Come on.

[joeysteele]

I can remember all dinners I had and the people who were with me.
Even moreso as a child, from 10 onwards certainly.


Look, this pair have said, with no conflicting of words.
For decades, that MJ never abused them.

One of these 2 Mothers repeatedly asked her son had her son been abused by him.
Asking him one to one, he firmly and categorically said NO.

When I was a child, if anyone had done anything with me and said, we mustn't reveal it or we'd both end up in prison.

Even were I not to say anything about it myself, one thing I'd never have done is go back continuously and be alone with that person.
No way at all.

Furthermore, in court under oath and cross examination,.the evidence given at the trial as a witness, their account never changed.
Pressed and pressed by prosecuting counsel, the maintaining MJ never ever abused them was stuck to.

Now on just talking to a camera, no challenge, not even any questioning whatsoever.
These are holier than thou, 100% reliable witnesses and revealing truth.

All they've said for decades, even after not seeing MJ much or at all in later years,while he was alive.
Is now discounted.
Believing them now, when they waited until after the death of MJ

It stinks to high heaven and I'd condemn no one on the strength of what these 2 are saying.
No way at all.

I'd like to see them cross examined on their new claims.
See how many tongue tying inaccuracies start to come to the fore.
I'd dare bet a good number would.

Of course they now know with MJ dead, they'll never need to do that.
Despite, if telling the truth now,(which I don't believe they are), then clearly lying through their teeth for decades and even in a court under oath.

Unbelievable.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is Wade Robson lying here on the sofa laughing with the host

Youtube video

I think he's telling truth with his family,see how they all defend mj .
I believe he's now lying through his teeth.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh so the only evidence that the dinner was after the testimony is the word of a Jackson family member who is already vocally defending MJ in various ways? FFS that isn't "evidence". Come on.

How would Taj know what "particular" dinner he was talking about anyway?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How would Taj know what "particular" dinner he was talking about anyway?

Well clearly the timing Taj remembered , and they all had dinner after Wade testified.

Why wouldn't you know which dinner? Especially considering MJ had his 2005 court case ,pretty sure that would be a milestone.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well clearly the timing Taj remembered , and they all had dinner after Wade testified.

Why wouldn't you know which dinner? Especially considering MJ had his 2005 court case ,pretty sure that would be a milestone.

Also why would we take one guys word as gospel ............it's as much "proof" as Wades word

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also why would we take one guys word as gospel ............it's as much "proof" as Wades word

yet people believe Wade & Jimmy who's lied & changed their stories LOGIC! .

Unless Taj has a bad memory I can't see why he'd lie about this dinner timing ?

[thesheriff443]

Logic tells you it’s not appropriate to sleep with kids.

Even my own daughter who is autistic, wanted a snuggle in bed but at her being twelve I felt she was too old and would make excuses about bugs so she had to sleep in her bed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

yet people believe Wade & Jimmy who's lied & changed their stories LOGIC! .

Unless Taj has a bad memory I can't see why he'd lie about this dinner timing ?

hhhhm what possible reason could there be?.............umm to discredit Wade maybe?

Ohhh and I just found this out, not sure if it's already been posted or not but people using Corey Feldman as someone who MJ didn't abuse, did you all know this though??

‘GROSSED OUT’ Michael Jackson made me look at naked photos when I was 13, child star Corey Feldman claims
Feldman, 47, was befriended by the adult singer after he shot to fame in hit movies such as Gremlins and The Goonies

COREY Feldman claims a 35-year-old Michael Jackson showed him “inappropriate” photos of naked men and women when he was aged 13.

The former child actor, 47, was befriended by the adult superstar singer after he appeared in hit movies such as Gremlins, The Goonies and Stand By Me.

And despite claiming that Jackson never sexually abused him, Corey has admitted that there were things that happened between the pair which he says were “inappropriate.”

The Lost Boys star, who says he was sexually abused by paedophile predators in Hollywood, spoke about Jackson during the singer’s 2005 molestation trial.

ABC's Martin Bashir asked Corey if the Thriller star had ever acted inappropriately towards him.

The actor said: "If you consider it inappropriate for a man to look at a book of naked pictures with a child that's 13 or 14 years old - then your answer would be yes.

"We went to his apartment, and I noticed a book that he had out on his coffee table.

“The book contained pictures of grown men and women naked. And the book was focused on venereal diseases and the genitalia."

“I was kind of grossed out by it. I didn't think of it as a big deal.

INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR
“And for all these years, I probably never thought twice about it - but in light of recent evidence, I have to say that if my son was 14 years old - 13 years old, and went to a man's apartment that was 35, and I knew that they were sitting down together talking about this, I would probably beat his ass."

Michael Jackson strongly denied all allegations of sexual abuse made against him.

The star was cleared of all counts of child sex abuse and grooming of Gavin Arvizo in criminal trial in 2005.

This comes as Corey has accused Hollywood of ignoring its paedophile problem in the wake of the explosive Jackson documentary.

I was raped of my innocence

Feldman, 47, said the film industry had made amends for its treatment of women but has still not addressed the alleged abuse of kids.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/830515...corey-feldman/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can remember all dinners I had and the people who were with me.
Even moreso as a child, from 10 onwards certainly.


Look, this pair have said, with no conflicting of words.
For decades, that MJ never abused them.

One of these 2 Mothers repeatedly asked her son had her son been abused by him.
Asking him one to one, he firmly and categorically said NO.

When I was a child, if anyone had done anything with me and said, we mustn't reveal it or we'd both end up in prison.

Even were I not to say anything about it myself, one thing I'd never have done is go back continuously and be alone with that person.
No way at all.

Furthermore, in court under oath and cross examination,.the evidence given at the trial as a witness, their account never changed.
Pressed and pressed by prosecuting counsel, the maintaining MJ never ever abused them was stuck to.

Now on just talking to a camera, no challenge, not even any questioning whatsoever.
These are holier than thou, 100% reliable witnesses and revealing truth.

All they've said for decades, even after not seeing MJ much or at all in later years,while he was alive.
Is now discounted.
Believing them now, when they waited until after the death of MJ

It stinks to high heaven and I'd condemn no one on the strength of what these 2 are saying.
No way at all.

I'd like to see them cross examined on their new claims.
See how many tongue tying inaccuracies start to come to the fore.
I'd dare bet a good number would.

Of course they now know with MJ dead, they'll never need to do that.
Despite, if telling the truth now,(which I don't believe they are), then clearly lying through their teeth for decades and even in a court under oath.

Unbelievable.

Really? You remember every dinner you had since you were 10?

[Kazanne]

Another insightful video

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

yet people believe Wade & Jimmy who's lied & changed their stories LOGIC! .

Unless Taj has a bad memory I can't see why he'd lie about this dinner timing ?

Well if you can remember graphic details times and dates as a 7 year old you must have a photographic memory,so I would expect him to remember the dinners but as explained in the last video posted his memory isn't so good

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well if you can remember graphic details times and dates as a 7 year old you must have a photographic memory,so I would expect him to remember the dinners but as explained in the last video posted his memory isn't so good

Remembering abuse is a bit different to remember exact dates and times of dinners

Must we all document every time we eat now, who with, where, who else was there.....on the off chance in the future, we need to recall every little detail

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can remember all dinners I had and the people who were with me.
Even moreso as a child, from 10 onwards certainly.


Look, this pair have said, with no conflicting of words.
For decades, that MJ never abused them.

One of these 2 Mothers repeatedly asked her son had her son been abused by him.
Asking him one to one, he firmly and categorically said NO.

When I was a child, if anyone had done anything with me and said, we mustn't reveal it or we'd both end up in prison.

Even were I not to say anything about it myself, one thing I'd never have done is go back continuously and be alone with that person.
No way at all.

Furthermore, in court under oath and cross examination,.the evidence given at the trial as a witness, their account never changed.
Pressed and pressed by prosecuting counsel, the maintaining MJ never ever abused them was stuck to.

Now on just talking to a camera, no challenge, not even any questioning whatsoever.
These are holier than thou, 100% reliable witnesses and revealing truth.

All they've said for decades, even after not seeing MJ much or at all in later years,while he was alive.
Is now discounted.
Believing them now, when they waited until after the death of MJ

It stinks to high heaven and I'd condemn no one on the strength of what these 2 are saying.
No way at all.

I'd like to see them cross examined on their new claims.
See how many tongue tying inaccuracies start to come to the fore.
I'd dare bet a good number would.

Of course they now know with MJ dead, they'll never need to do that.
Despite, if telling the truth now,(which I don't believe they are), then clearly lying through their teeth for decades and even in a court under oath.

Unbelievable.

How is that even possible? You remember dates, locations, people with you of every time you have eaten out since being 10?? Do you document it or just remember?

I can barely remember who I had dinner with last month, let alone years ago. Its a skill that

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Remembering abuse is a bit different to remember exact dates and times of dinners

Must we all document every time we eat now, who with, where, who else was there.....on the off chance in the future, we need to recall every little detail

No ,Annie he remembered exact times of the alleged abuse not the dinners

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No ,Annie he remembered exact times of the alleged abuse not the dinners

But that makes sense though Kaz......I hate to bring it up, but with your past experience I am sure you will remember exactly what happened, (times dates, locations etc) to you....but then can you remember the times you had dinner around that time and who you were with??

Those types of things tend to be a bit more ingrained than day to day things surely?

Unless I'm misunderstanding this