[LeatherTrumpet]

so every time Jackson said he wasnt a raging paedo he was lying?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Facts don't lie, people do...... yes the problem was with MJ lying with children

A real example of real life,I used to to do lunch time duty at my daughters first little school but being a man I had to stop as it was seen as inappropriate.

Mj was sleeping in the same bed as boys but nothing was done.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Facts don't lie, people do...... yes the problem was with MJ lying with children

Can I ask why you're so convinced he shared a bed with kids while sleeping? .

It's always that same argument ,while people ignore the fact that MJ's bedroom was the size of a house . Kids always insisted they wanted to share his room with him .

Gavin Arvizo actually slept in Mj's bed with his brother while MJ had the floor , but people like to ignore that information . And even if MJ was in the same bed as children why do people always assume child molestation happened? . I understand people thinking it's inappropriate , mj's fans don't defend that . But you have to understand MJ had a different upbringing

MJ said he'd always give his bed to guests while he slept elsewhere. MJ's own ex Debbie said if she had guests over she would probably watch telly in bed with them .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Can I ask why you're so convinced he shared a bed with kids while sleeping? .

It's always that same argument ,while people ignore the fact that MJ's bedroom was the size of a house . Kids always insisted they wanted to share his room with him .

Gavin Arvizo actually slept in Mj's bed with his brother while MJ had the floor , but people like to ignore that information . And even if MJ was in the same bed as children why do people always assume child molestation happened? . I understand people thinking it's inappropriate , mj's fans don't defend that . But you have to understand MJ had a different upbringing

MJ said he'd always give his bed to guests while he slept elsewhere. MJ's own ex Debbie said if she had guests over she would probably watch telly in bed with them .

Yeah i believe that MJ gave up his bed to random kids and then slept on the floor instead of going to another bed in his massive house mmhhmm

[Nancy.]

Goldheart, here's another excellent video...
We already knew the stuff about Robson, but the information about Safechuck is interesting to say the least, but I expect this will be ignored or brushed aside, as usual.

Youtube video

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Goldheart, here's another excellent video...
We already knew the stuff about Robson, but the information about Safechuck is interesting to say the least, but I expect this will be ignored or brushed aside, as usual.

Youtube video

What am I supposed to be taking in?
...the red writing, is that the shocking revelations taken as fact this time?

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What am I supposed to be taking in?
...the red writing, is that the shocking revelations taken as fact this time?

Don't be silly, Parmy. Ignore the red font and focus on the information provided...pay particular attention to the documents about Safechuck and his family being sued for 1 million before realizing shortly afterwards that he had been "abused".

No doubt someone will claim these documents are fake too.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Goldheart, here's another excellent video...
We already knew the stuff about Robson, but the information about Safechuck is interesting to say the least, but I expect this will be ignored or brushed aside, as usual.

Youtube video

Hey Nancy
Yeah i know all about Safechuck's failing garbage disposal business (how fitting that he's in the CRAP business lol ) . And his family being sued. Yeah it's very convenient that then that's when Safechuck realised he'd been abused all along by MJ .

[GoldHeart]

Numourous videos have been posted with facts and information and many people have closed their eyes and put their fingers in their ears shutting them down as rubbish.

Not sure what more evidence you expect . It's funny how all the proof out there shows Wade & James are DISHONEST GREEDY FLIP FLOPPERS ,yet a propaganda movie about serious child abuse allegations is instantly believed with zero hard evidence.


And it's boring hearing the same argument about "ohh it's mj fans posting videos defending him" ACTUALLY NO they're not all MJ fans , and even MJ fans admit his actions were poorly made and he made bad choices through his naivety .

There's plenty of people who are unsure of Mj's guilt or innocence but they know Wade & James' story is inconsistent & contradictory. Some people were even convinced MJ was GUILTY then as soon as they watched
' leaving neverland' it left them even more confused scratching their heads.

And some people changed their minds after watching it and thought MJ was now INNOCENT as non of it makes sense.

[bitontheslide]

cut out the middleman and just ban the bbc, sorted

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Numourous videos have been posted with facts and information and many people have closed their eyes and put their fingers in their ears shutting them down as rubbish.

Not sure what more evidence you expect . It's funny how all the proof out there shows Wade & James are DISHONEST GREEDY FLIP FLOPPERS ,yet a propaganda movie about serious child abuse allegations is instantly believed with zero hard evidence.


And it's boring hearing the same argument about "ohh it's mj fans posting videos defending him" ACTUALLY NO they're not all MJ fans , and even MJ fans admit his actions were poorly made and he made bad choices through his naivety .

There's plenty of people who are unsure of Mj's guilt or innocence but they know Wade & James' story is inconsistent & contradictory. Some people were even convinced MJ was GUILTY then as soon as they watched
' leaving neverland' it left them even more confused scratching their heads.

And some people changed their minds after watching it and thought MJ was now INNOCENT as non of it makes sense.

Let's face it, all these videos are damage limitation excersises by the jackson family who are using thier dead brothers money to keep them in the lifestyle they are used to and only want to keep it that way...and I would guess that the percentage of people who thought he was innocent but now guilty will be far far higher than the opposite way around.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Let's face it, all these videos are damage limitation excersises by the jackson family who are using thier dead brothers money to keep them in the lifestyle they are used to and only want to keep it that way...and I would guess that the percentage of people who thought he was innocent but now guilty will be far far higher than the opposite way around.

Damage limitation for what??? why don't you talk about Leaving Neverland cutting out 45 minutes ermmm pretty sure that's some kind of damage limitation but it's a messy attempt .

And Wade's wife removing from their charity page that she was a "survivor of abuse" when in the film she clearly says she has no knowledge or understanding of abuse , give me a break!!! also why remove stuff if they're all telling the truth?? it reeks of guilt! .

People are posting facts and information and NO it isn't the Jackson family it's youtubers, fans and other members of the public .

[GoldHeart]

This thread has lasted a good while so that in itself is a miracle on here .

Back on topic , Wade & James don't even look sincere at the Sundance Q&A they're laughing in the faces of real victims practically .

[parmnion]

Goldheart I've watched that and they do sound sincere..poor wade was nearly crying when he was saying how they hope to raise awareness of abused children to church leaders etc.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wade & James don't even look sincere at the Sundance Q&A they're laughing in the faces of real victims practically .

I hadn't seen it but I've just watched it and (you'll be surprised to hear) I completely disagree, and I wonder if you believe they're "laughing in the faces of abuse victims" simply because they happen to smile a couple of times during the Q&A? If so then, again, this comes down to a misunderstanding of what is and isn't appropriate emotional response and presentation.

Abuse survivors often laugh and smile WHILST recounting details of their abuse. You might not like or understand that but it is simply the facts.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I hadn't seen it but I've just watched it and (you'll be surprised to hear) I completely disagree, and I wonder if you believe they're "laughing in the faces of abuse victims" simply because they happen to smile a couple of times during the Q&A? If so then, again, this comes down to a misunderstanding of what is and isn't appropriate emotional response and presentation.

Abuse survivors often laugh and smile WHILST recounting details of their abuse. You might not like or understand that but it is simply the facts.

There's a difference between awkward smiling & nervous laughing to inappropriate smirking & guilty laughing.

Nothing is genuine , even when people are talking about real life abuse happening to children all over , both Wade James' faces were blank & cold .

[GoldHeart]

[Nancy.]

Here's something else to add to the list of lies spun by Robson and Safechuck...

Here's the part where Safechuck specifically mentions having sex with MJ in a room above the Train Station...

[thesheriff443]

The fundamental question is, should mj of had young boys sleeping in his bedroom, the only sensible answer is no.

Why would a grown man want young boys sleeping in his room?, it was not to read them a goodnight story.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The fundamental question is, should mj of had young boys sleeping in his bedroom, the only sensible answer is no.

Why would a grown man want young boys sleeping in his room?, it was not to read them a goodnight story.

If you did your research you'd know it wasn't just "young boys" as the stupid media makes out , there were MJ's own family & girls & his friends as well as the kids parents .

MJ was usually with other people as well as kids , he wasn't just left alone kids 24/7 .

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The fundamental question is, should mj of had young boys sleeping in his bedroom, the only sensible answer is no.

Why would a grown man want young boys sleeping in his room?, it was not to read them a goodnight story.

But MJ's bedroom was two storeys high, and not the average size of a bedroom that we think of. There weren't just boys sleeping over either, Sheriff, there were girls too...including his own family (as Goldheart said).

[Niamh.]

I've deleted some more posts in here along with the numerous posts Vicky deleted yesterday. I'm going to reopen it but anyone, on any "side" who starts picking at members in here or bringing them up in posts to have a dig will be infracted.If it turns into a mess like it was previous to the deletions it will be permanently locked

[bitontheslide]

So this thread is a bit like MJ .... cleaned himself up, brushed himself down and gave it another go

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So this thread is a bit like MJ .... cleaned himself up, brushed himself down and gave it another go

[GoldHeart]

Youtube video