[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Youtube video

Another great video, Goldheart.

I had no idea about the fan who broke into his bedroom and hid in his closet for days before finally getting caught.
So that explains the reason for the bedroom "security system" that everyone was talking about which is mentioned from 18.00 onwards.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Another great video, Goldheart.

I had no idea about the fan who broke into his bedroom and hid in his closet for days before finally getting caught.
So that explains the reason for the bedroom "security system" that everyone was talking about which is mentioned from 18.00 onwards.

Exactly nobody thinks it's weird when other celebrities have high security & alarm systems to protect their home & themselves.

Yeah how scary is that , people say MJ was paranoid and is it any wonder when there's crazy stalkers like that .

Plus Gavin Arvizo's brother claimed he saw his brother get abused by MJ , so somehow the brother who's a larger kid managed to sneak pass the alarm system without being heard ??.

But then the contradiction of that is how MJ is using the alarm to warn him so he doesn't get caught ,yet somehow Arvizo's brother managed to bypass the alarm .

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Exactly nobody thinks it's weird when other celebrities have high security & alarm systems to protect their home & themselves.

Yeah how scary is that , people say MJ was paranoid and is it any wonder when there's crazy stalkers like that .

Plus Gavin Arvizo's brother claimed he saw his brother get abused by MJ , so somehow the brother who's a larger kid managed to sneak pass the alarm system without being heard ??.

But then the contradiction of that is how MJ is using the alarm to warn him so he doesn't get caught ,yet somehow Arvizo's brother managed to bypass the alarm .

I know. It's completely and utterly ridiculous.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Let's face it, all these videos are damage limitation excersises by the jackson family who are using thier dead brothers money to keep them in the lifestyle they are used to and only want to keep it that way...and I would guess that the percentage of people who thought he was innocent but now guilty will be far far higher than the opposite way around.

100%

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Here's something else to add to the list of lies spun by Robson and Safechuck...

Here's the part where Safechuck specifically mentions having sex with MJ in a room above the Train Station...

Verification from the operator of the Neverland Amusement Park who says the Train Station wasn't contructed until mid 93 - yet Safechuck claims he and MJ had sex there and that the "abuse" stopped in 92.

[Niamh.]

Nancy re quoting your own posts is spamming

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nancy re quoting your own posts is spamming

I quoted my post but forgot to add the additional information but must've edited at the exact time as you replied, so people would know what I was talking about, but thanks anyway.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah how was Safechuck abused on a train that wasn't built yet ??? .

The pool area was another place of abuse apparently ? , but there was surveillance & people around.

The famous bedroom with the mirror is actually 2 way and Oprah & MJ were sat looking at it .

[Kazanne]

Wouldn't you think if someone was a peadophile with such a career MJ had that they would have been VERY secretive about it as they would know such a claim would ruin them,but MJ was completely open about it all,like he had nothing to hide and I believe he didn't. I wonder why as soon as you say you have slept in the same bed as a child ,you are automatically branded a molester or potential one,there are other things to enjoy in bed, why does the worst always come to peoples minds ? You can love kids and their company without anything sinister going on up top( or bottom),if he had been a woman would the story be different ?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nancy re quoting your own posts is spamming

Originally Posted by Nancy.

I quoted my post but forgot to add the additional information but must've edited at the exact time as you replied, so people would know what I was talking about, but thanks anyway.

Yeah, quoting your own post and adding info is fine, have done it myself a few times. Just quoting it with a '.' or something is just spamming really.

Seems this was maybe the second, then was changed to the first? Or something. Either way, how the quoted post is now is obviously fine..I can't actually see what it was, as my 'view edits' button is not working right for some reason..

Possibly a pointless post (mine)

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Wouldn't you think if someone was a peadophile with such a career MJ had that they would have been VERY secretive about it as they would know such a claim would ruin them,but MJ was completely open about it all,like he had nothing to hide and I believe he didn't. I wonder why as soon as you say you have slept in the same bed as a child ,you are automatically branded a molester or potential one,there are other things to enjoy in bed, why does the worst always come to peoples minds ? You can love kids and their company without anything sinister going on up top( or bottom),if he had been a woman would the story be different ?

And according to Safechuck & Robson he spent alot of time abusing them both without being seen. Wasn't he busy writing music or spending time with his family or friends . or having business meetings and going on tour and being interviewed??? .

The places they claim MJ abused them have plot holes and doesn't make sense like the Train for example that hadn't been built yet .

When Bashire stitched MJ up with that badly edited documentary , he hurt MJ with the whole "kids sleeping in bed" . You could see he was upset and he said "you're thinking sexual but it isn't" .

Yeah Kaz i can't help but think the same if he was Shania Twain or Dolly Parton what would the reaction of been then to kids having sleepovers ?? interesting we'll never know . And would the media twist the truth and say Dolly only prefers little girls in her bedroom .

We can all agree that Mj's behaviour was inappropriate to have kids stay at his home and sleep there , but to automatically think "paedophile" is a serious leap and damaging accusation which taints his legacy.

MJ was used to sharing bedrooms and beds as he was growing up , what's normal to him is different to other people .


Innocent things get taken out of context and sadly there's a perverse distorted view of things .

Even the old Batman tv series was considered weird by some corrie actress who thought it was weird looking back at Batman being friends with Robin who's a young boy , people see what they want to see and we all know there was nothing perverted about Batman & Robin .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And according to Safechuck & Robson he spent alot of time abusing them both without being seen. Wasn't he busy writing music or spending time with his family or friends . or having business meetings and going on tour and being interviewed??? .

The places they claim MJ abused them have plot holes and doesn't make sense like the Train for example that hadn't been built yet .

When Bashire stitched MJ up with that badly edited documentary , he hurt MJ with the whole "kids sleeping in bed" . You could see he was upset and he said "you're thinking sexual but it isn't" .

Yeah Kaz i can't help but think the same if he was Shania Twain or Dolly Parton what would the reaction of been then to kids having sleepovers ?? interesting we'll never know . And would the media twist the truth and say Dolly only prefers little girls in her bedroom .

We can all agree that Mj's behaviour was inappropriate to have kids stay at his home and sleep there , but to automatically think "paedophile" is a serious leap and damaging accusation which taints his legacy.

MJ was used to sharing bedrooms and beds as he was growing up , what's normal to him is different to other people .


Innocent things get taken out of context and sadly there's a perverse distorted view of things .

Even the old Batman tv series was considered weird by some corrie actress who thought it was weird looking back at Batman being friends with Robin who's a young boy , people see what they want to see and we all know there was nothing perverted about Batman & Robin .

Excellent post Goldheart and of course I agree,I think him having those kids there in this climate was ill thought out , but in no way was it to hurt any of them. but they say karma is a bitch,lets see how this 'claim' progresses.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Excellent post Goldheart and of course I agree,I think him having those kids there in this climate was ill thought out , but in no way was it to hurt any of them. but they say karma is a bitch,lets see how this 'claim' progresses.

Alot of what Mj was doing was charity work to help kids and he had sick kids stay there , and that bedroom Safechuck lied about is actually set up so that kids can watch movies /cartoons. it was in an old Oprah interview which i can't find atm . And the other kids that stayed there were allowed because MJ always asked the parents permission.

From the old home movies i've from Nerverland , MJ just looks like a big kid himself enjoying himself doing things he missed out on as a kid.

Notice Kaz how these accusations seem to be every 10 years aswell .

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

From The mirror, isn't this the truth ?by Will-I-am
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

From The mirror, isn't this the truth ?by Will-I-am
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

It’s no more the truth than the accusers.

It’s not for money it’s for racist reasons.

Come on kazanne the opinion of a another black singer don’t make it the truth.

Common sense makes you question why a grown man wants kids in his bed.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've deleted some more posts in here along with the numerous posts Vicky deleted yesterday. I'm going to reopen it but anyone, on any "side" who starts picking at members in here or bringing them up in posts to have a dig will be infracted.If it turns into a mess like it was previous to the deletions it will be permanently locked

This leaves me with a bit of a predicament Niamh because if the posts since reopening are anything to go by, it's pretty clear that this is still (and will forever be) a YouTube / Twitter spamming circlejerk but saying so is what caused all of the personal stuff to begin with.

I'm not picking on members individually / calling them names, I'm calling the thread out for what it has become and if that's considered personal then infract away I guess . I'd still rather say it than sit back and watch two probable - or even if only POSSIBLE - abuse victims be smeared as villains through trashy social media propaganda.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This leaves me with a bit of a predicament Niamh because if the posts since reopening are anything to go by, it's pretty clear that this is still (and will forever be) a YouTube / Twitter spamming circlejerk but saying so is what caused all of the personal stuff to begin with.

I'm not picking on members individually / calling them names, I'm calling the thread out for what it has become and if that's considered personal then infract away I guess . I'd still rather say it than sit back and watch two probable - or even if only POSSIBLE - abuse victims be smeared as villains through trashy social media propaganda.

There's saying it once..but to continue to drone on and on about when it would be much easier just not to comment after making your opinion clear.

Perhaps the thread only looked like a circle jerk to you because nobody else was replying, that's not down to kez goldheart or nancy though.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There's saying it once..but to continue to drone on and on about when it would be much easier just not to comment after making your opinion clear.

Sure it would be easier but it would also be making it easy for people alleging abuse to be accused of being villains and liars, which again, I'm not willing to step back and allow. What ever gave you the impression that I like things "easy"?

Perhaps the thread only looked like a circle jerk to you because nobody else was replying, that's not down to kez goldheart or nancy though.

That's literally exactly what I said Parm; my opinion is about the thread and the things being posted here, it's not a personal judgement of the people posting those things and never has been.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

From The mirror, isn't this the truth ?by Will-I-am
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

The Elephant in the room is most definitely RACISM , if it wasn't then Harvey Weinstein's documentary & the publicity surrounding it wouldn't get pushed on the back burner . Oprah is protecting Weinstein her friend despite numerous women saying he took advantage & abused them . Why isn't Oprah interviewing these women? When there's a lot more evidence to back their claims up .

Why is MJ being used as the scape goat for the #metoo movement & child abuse awareness campaign .

H & M has removed any clothing with MJ on , yet they keep rock stars & rock & roll people who have been accused of sleeping / having intimate relationships with under age girls.

There's a lot of perverse behaviour in Hollywood that Corey Feldman tried to address ,but that gets ignored by people. And so much hypocrisy . MJ was found innocent.

It's ridiculous how they're trying to erase history & mute MJ , the bandwagon & outcry is ludicrous , they're painting him as a monster .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sure it would be easier but it would also be making it easy for people alleging abuse to be accused of being villains and liars, which again, I'm not willing to step back and allow. What ever gave you the impression that I like things "easy"?





That's literally exactly what I said Parm; my opinion is about the thread and the things being posted here, it's not a personal judgement of the people posting those things and never has been.

Ok..I doubted you did want to single out anyone..

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The Elephant in the room is most definitely RACISM , if it wasn't then Harvey Weinstein's documentary & the publicity surrounding it wouldn't get pushed on the back burner . Oprah is protecting Weinstein her friend despite numerous women saying he took advantage & abused them . Why isn't Oprah interviewing these women? When there's a lot more evidence to back their claims up .

Why is MJ being used as the scape goat for the #metoo movement & child abuse awareness campaign .

H & M has removed any clothing with MJ on , yet they keep rock stars & rock & roll people who have been accused of sleeping / having intimate relationships with under age girls.

There's a lot of perverse behaviour in Hollywood that Corey Feldman tried to address ,but that gets ignored by people. And so much hypocrisy . MJ was found innocent.

It's ridiculous how they're trying to erase history & mute MJ , the bandwagon & outcry is ludicrous , they're painting him as a monster .

He bloody was a monster..I believe he was a rampant as Saville.

[GoldHeart]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm assuming he turned the invite down.

[parmnion]

Thanksgiving Day in 1987 is on Thursday, November 26



He had some free time I see...perhaps he went after all.