[Mokka]

Originally Posted by lime

I understand what "coloured " means in the west ...but where I come from ..Africa...coloured people are offended that we whites take their right away...They idendify as coloured...surely that's their right?

It's difficult for them because they are not accepted by Whites/Blacks.

They call theselves colored ..and who am I to deny them

They call themselves coloured? Or do the actually ask white men to call them coloured.

There is a difference

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

Agreed. The fact this "debate" headed in the direction of justifying this man by changing his words and insinuating different meaning on them says a lot.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

Absolutely spot on.
It's crystal clear I'd say.

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Really though?

Tibb's littlest bigot rides again, choo choo! If I hadn't sworn off the gambling game, I'd be taking bets on how much longer your free pass is going to last, Oli.

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

QFT!

[Withano]

Good.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Either the NHS is for all citizens, or it isn't. Racists deserve treatment as much as anyone else.

So... you're saying the patient should be allowed to be racist and refuse treatment or contact with any non-white staff?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one said that but it always takes one to twist it, not going to argue with you ,most people know what I mean most are ok but some are not so clear have you got it now ? or does everything need spelling out nowadays.Jeez, if I had put black person that would have been wrong too ffs,cant say anything now unless someone is crying about it

Well, yeah, if you'd have said "Black people speak bad English" that would've been wrong.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody will take it the wrong way, we all struggle with some regional accents and no one bats an eyelid except when the person is black, then we are all racists for struggling

Nobody said it was racist to struggle with another person's accent.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

That's not fair Redway.

Kazanne was clearly just saying she prefers somebody of good English because she has partial deafness and can struggle understanding otherwise. She even ended her post saying colour/race is irrelevant.

But where did the "foreigner doctor with a dodgy accent" come from?

The story was about a patient not wanting to be treated by a "non-white" doctor.
Redway was pointing out that non-white does not mean the doctor was foreign. Obviously. And not all foreigners are non-white.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

Yup.

And tbh, from my experience, 'english' doctors have not really been easier to understand than foreign ones. I have in the past been sent people with very strong accents, and the likes of very strong Scottish or Irish I tend to not understand very well (though Irish, regardless of me being able to understand or not I could listen to all day!). Also one of the GPs in my surgery is English, and from the same area as me but tends to bloody mumble all the time and speak really really fast at others. The amount of 'pardon?!'s I have to do when seeing her is insane really. White would also mean he could be sent, for example a Polish or Russian doctor too, which could maybe not be that easy to understand either depending. And of course, he could be sent a black english doctor too. So yeah, definitely about racism rather than wanting someone he could understand tbh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I'm sorry ,I don't spend my days thinking about such things

Oh, so true.

We can't all spend all our lives not being racist. It's SUCH a struggle. You need a degree in it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So... you're saying the patient should be allowed to be racist and refuse treatment or contact with any non-white staff?

I think what he was saying as that we treat everyone whatever their crime, no one is denied treatment or banned from a hospital even if they have committed the most henious of crimes

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think what he was saying as that we treat everyone whatever their crime, no one is denied treatment even if they have committed the most henious of crimes

Well, he's been banned from a hospital in which he was racist towards members of their staff.

He's not been banned from the NHS has he?

Seems he's denying himself treatment.

[Tom4784]

And he won't be denied treatment at the A&E, let's not make the racist out to be a victim here. He looked down on staff members and refused their help if they weren't white and THEN he tried to get the staff in trouble by complaining, overworked staff that keep the NHS affloat and whom we can't afford to lose.

[Vicky.]

Noone would be denied treatment in A&E with an actual emergency. Hell they even treat people who..are known serial killers/terrorists and such. So being a racist twat certainly would not make them say, **** it, let him die.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, he's been banned from a hospital in which he was racist towards members of their staff.

He's not been banned from the NHS has he?

Seems he's denying himself treatment.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And he won't be denied treatment at the A&E, let's not make the racist out to be a victim here. He looked down on staff members and refused their help if they weren't white and THEN he tried to get the staff in trouble by complaining, overworked staff that keep the NHS affloat and whom we can't afford to lose.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Noone would be denied treatment in A&E with an actual emergency. Hell they even treat people who..are known serial killers/terrorists and such. So being a racist twat certainly would not make them say, **** it, let him die.

I was interpreting Olivers comment,he turned up at A and E, so how would it work if he wasn't banned from A and E as well as the hospital itself, if he presents at A and E in the future what will they do if they have to admit him? personally I think he should have been fined for wasting everyones time, hit him/her in his pocket, and eveyone else who rocks up at A an E for non emergencies as well, he was a racist twat yes, did he deserve banning ....not sure he did, just say we cant accommodate your request and you can been seen by the on duty doctors, then it is up to him, and far more humiliating for him (I assume its a him) to have to climb down if he really did need to be seen at some point

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I was interpreting Olivers comment,he turned up at A and E, so how would it work if he wasn't banned from A and E as well as the hospital itself, if he presents at A and E in the future what will they do if they have to admit him? personally I think he should have been fined for wasting everyones time, hit him/her in his pocket, and eveyone else who rocks up at A an E for non emergencies as well, he was a racist twat yes, did he deserve banning ....not sure he did, just say we cant accommodate your request and you can been seen by the on duty doctors, then it is up to him, and far more humiliating for him (I assume its a him) to have to climb down if he really did need to be seen at some point

A&E was where he refused to accept any treatment and walked out before later making a complaint about the non-white doctors.

The hospital have now banned him for racism.

If he showed up in A&E with an actual emergency in the future they're not going to refuse to treat him.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A&E was where he refused to accept any treatment and walked out before later making a complaint about the non-white doctors.

The hospital have now banned him for racism.

If he showed up in A&E with an actual emergency in the future they're not going to refuse to treat him.

so whats the point banning him then?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so whats the point banning him then?

Well, he can't use the hospital in non-emergency cases, which would amount to 99% of his hospital needs.

[Twosugars]

He wont be able to use outpatient services or inpatient non emergency
Basically he will have to travel further if he needs those.
Idk why this is so hard to understand Cherie
NHS would never deny him treatment if there was no alternative available or if it is emergency

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so whats the point banning him then?

To put it as simply as we can;

If he has a heart attack they'll treat him. If he wants a vasectomy he's going to have to buy a donut pillow because it'll be a longer drive.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But where did the "foreigner doctor with a dodgy accent" come from?

The story was about a patient not wanting to be treated by a "non-white" doctor.
Redway was pointing out that non-white does not mean the doctor was foreign. Obviously. And not all foreigners are non-white.

Exactly. Kazane's just doing her as per. And I don't believe for a second that she didn't know that coloured's an offensive term.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I'm sorry ,I don't spend my days thinking about such things,whether you deem it right or wrong it was never meant as an insult, but you go ahead with your insults

Who's insulting you though?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I recently quite innocently called someone 'coloured' :

Oh hunny no