[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Bit ****ed up that the husband is going to finish the film imo

But he wants to Honour her work
being Executive Producer means he gets profits,
if any.


I am sure his good lady who was shot dead
would want her project completed

[arista]

Alec Baldwin to be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter



His Lawyers
are going to fight it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

Back in 2021

[arista]

Some Staff had left the set
just before the death.

[bitontheslide]

the armourer is going to take the fall

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the armourer is going to take the fall

Yes going to a Court Trial

[arista]

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the armourer is going to take the fall

well whose responsibility are the guns for, the armourer


any person even those with the lowest IQ's can understand that duh


the gun props are locked in storage and the armourer has to guard those and hand them to the actors, producers when being taken to set



soooo lock that person up, for life hopefully, for murder

[arista]

She (Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
is Young
Nicky

Ideal to get the Blame


Hannah

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

She (Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
is Young
Nicky

Ideal to get the Blame

a girl????? lmao, whose idea was it to hire a girl for that sort of job




that's literally asking for trouble, because that is a man's job, nothing for a schoolgirl

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

a girl????? lmao, whose idea was it to hire a girl for that sort of job




that's literally asking for trouble, because that is a man's job, nothing for a schoolgirl

Yes, in the USA, Women have Rights
maybe she was cheap enough
as a Proper Qualified Fella
would cost so much more.




Alec had to trim the Production costs
to keep the movie being made

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by arista

She (Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
is Young
Nicky

Ideal to get the Blame


Hannah

Skinhead girl.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Alec Baldwin to be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter



His Lawyers
are going to fight it.

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

It appears to have been an accident from his perspective.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

It appears to have been an accident from his perspective.

not really, he was the films producer and ultimately responsible for those employed on the set and their safety. The fact he also fired the weapon is just an added complication

[arista]

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

a girl????? lmao, whose idea was it to hire a girl for that sort of job




that's literally asking for trouble, because that is a man's job, nothing for a schoolgirl

Grow up, nicky.

[Livia]

Everyone who handled the pistol, from the armourer to Baldwin himself, should have checked the firearm. The final person who should have checked was Baldwin. They ALL failed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone who handled the pistol, from the armourer to Baldwin himself, should have checked the firearm. The final person who should have checked was Baldwin. They ALL failed.

Yes, but Baldwin is blaming
the young lady

And so are his Lawyers


I was amazed to learn
he wants the film to get made, still.

[GoldHeart]

Whoever was in charge of the weapon is guilty,but Baldwin should have also checked it. I will never understand why in this day & age ...when health & safety is meant to be the priority ,that live ammunition was ACTUALLY USED when it's supposed to be a prop .

Have production teams learnt nothing from previous disasters & deaths ... Brandon Lee being the one that really sticks in my mind.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Whoever was in charge of the weapon is guilty,but Baldwin should have also checked it. I will never understand why in this day & age ...when health & safety is meant to be the priority ,that live ammunition was ACTUALLY USED when it's supposed to be a prop .

Have production teams learnt nothing from previous disasters & deaths ... Brandon Lee being the one that really sticks in my mind.

Baldwin should have checked it over ?

I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..



But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ?


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[bitontheslide]

they have a whole series of protocols that need to be followed when using fire arms on set, none of them seem to have been followed. As the films producer, that is Baldwin's responsibility

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the armourer is going to take the fall

I would say that in a case like this, the person whose actual role is to be responsible for the operation and safety of the firearms is genuinely "more" to blame and I also think it's right that Baldwin's part in the blame is being part of the production (and thus ultimately responsible for everyone's safety) rather than being the actor who fired the gun. If he was JUST an actor in it I would have said it's harsh for him to be charged at all.

I think in the end though, with CGI being as good as it is these days, there's a very good argument to be made for simply not allowing live ammunition to be on film sets at all. Blanks only.

The Brandon Lee case is actually slightly different - a bullet from a previous take was lodged in the barrel and it WAS a blank that was loaded for the scene when he was shot... but a live round is basically a blank (case & powder) + a bullet... so the blank fired the lodged bullet that was stuck. It's still a handling error, and it still would have been avoided if they hadn't been using live rounds at all, in any take.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they have a whole series of protocols that need to be followed when using fire arms on set, none of them seem to have been followed. As the films producer, that is Baldwin's responsibility

It suggests to me unfortuantely that complacency is maybe quite common on film sets - or has been - because accidents have been extremely rare. Hopefully if anything has come of this, it's that productions actually stick to those protocols.

And as I said above - use live rounds far less, or not at all, and rely more on post-processing.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Baldwin should have checked it over ?

I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..



But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ?


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Because wasn't Baldwin producing the film aswell , He wasn't just acting was he ?. He's been in the business a long time aswell. But like I said.... especially the person dealing with the gun ,but everyone on set should have done safety checks.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Because wasn't Baldwin producing the film aswell , He wasn't just acting was he ?. He's been in the business a long time aswell. But like I said.... especially the person dealing with the gun ,but everyone on set should have done safety checks.

I don't know about everyone on set - not everyone will even be cleared to handle them at all let alone start fiddling with them or inspecting them... And even if they were, it's not a very good idea to start "checking" guns if you don't know how to handle them, that's how MOST firearms accidents happen.

But yes everyone involved in handling the gun in any way should have checked it including Baldwin, and those in charge of the production had a responsibility to make sure everything was being done with the right procedures.