[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Or, I just don’t feel the need to justify myself or my opinions to people who have no actual interest in listening to anyone other than the people who dislike the same people they do.

I’ve learned my lesson to not get involved in discussions with people who have no real outputs other than ‘trans people bad’ now I just post my opinions and leave it at that

You're not posting opinions though your making claims of facts. You can indeed do the former without backing it up, but you can't do the latter without some sort of reasoning. It doesn't even have to be evidence, though that would be ideal... Just reasoning would be something.

The way things stand you're just saying "They are THIS. they think THIS. tmThey do THIS for THIS reason!" and when pressed as to why you think that, you clam right up.

The only assumption anyone can make is, you don't have an answer for why you think that. Which means it's probably just that you heard someone else say it, and you generally align with that person so you repeat it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

[LeatherTrumpet]

To the alphabet bros of the modern LGBTQetc lobby, however, it’s ‘transphobia’.
Yes, a lesbian who refuses to handle a penis is a bigot now, haven’t you heard?


I’m old enough to remember when the bigots were the blokes who told lesbians
they should sleep with men. ‘You’ll enjoy it, love!’ Now those blokes are the
heroes, it seems, and the lesbians who say ‘No, thank you’ are uppity, hateful
‘genital fetishists’. The LGB Alliance is absolutely right to confront such neo-
homophobic nonsense. How have we arrived at a situation where it is
controversial, ‘hate speech’ no less, to say that genderfluid
Gary with his beard
and testicles is not a lesbian and never will be?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...take-the-hint/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just in case Liam or anyone else doesn't know what the Cotton Ceiling is, here you go :

Spoiler:

The term “cotton ceiling” (2012) invented by a trans activist and porn performer, to describe the “difficulties” faced by men who identify as “trans lesbians” in being accepted as “real lesbians”. They found that lesbians were okay for men who ID as lesbians to join their communities but were somehow reluctant to choose them as sexual partners. We know that 80% of trans people are non-op, meaning their male genitals are intact.

The term “cotton ceiling” is copied from the term “glass ceiling”.

The glass ceiling describes the invisible barrier women face to attain a higher position in their field of work because men are gatekeeping positions of power, keeping them for themselves.

The “cotton ceiling” however, refers to the knickers worn by the lesbian: the cotton of the knickers being the barrier the males who identify as lesbians struggle to penetrate. This barrier is seen as denying his validity as a “real woman” and as a lesbian, as only a sexual experience with a lesbian would make him a “real lesbian“.

Lesbians , who are not consenting, are accused of using their genitals to “gate keep womanhood”, denying “trans lesbians” their “rights” to be real lesbians by accessing lesbians sexually.

The term consensual is important because the lesbian has to agree (under extreme pressure and coercion and/or violence) to the sexual relationship for validation to magically happen.

Lesbians explained that they did not want to have sexual relationships with people with penises, the term penis was rebranded “girldick”, “lady stick”, “lady’s penis”.

In this “logic”, the penis, in virtue of being attached to a male who identifies as female, automatically becomes a female organ. Lesbians who still refuse to consider “trans lesbians” as sexual partners are called “terfs”, “transphobes” and “vagina fetishists”.

Because Lesbians are seen as privileged to men who identify as women because we are so called “Cis” (not trans) we are said to oppress men who identify as lesbians.

Lesbians’ refusal to have sex with men is the way we oppress them.

But it does go even further than this.

We are told that transwomen are real women therefore if lesbians refuse to have sex with people with penises, they cannot be lesbians at all.

So men who ID as lesbians are real lesbians and lesbians who are females are not real lesbians unless they have sex with men who ID as lesbians.

Did I lose you?

The reversal is complete.

https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news...cotton-ceiling

the arrogance is just staggering

[Soldier Boy]

Can we not just address the elephant in the room which is that the actual reason most lesbians aren't interested in trans lesbians is not because they "secretly have a penis in their pants"... it's because, penis or not, they simply don't look like females. In any sense. People who are attracted to females, are not going to be attracted to 99.9% of trans women.

I feel like saying "Sorry I'm just not interested in having sex with someone who has a penis" is the KIND answer... it's saying "yes you pass as a female but penis isn't for me, sorry"... rather than saying "It's also the fact that you have a man's entire body structure and facial features".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

the arrogance is just staggering

Reading it is like reading satire but no this is real life in 2023

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To the alphabet bros of the modern LGBTQetc lobby, however, it’s ‘transphobia’.
Yes, a lesbian who refuses to handle a penis is a bigot now, haven’t you heard?


I’m old enough to remember when the bigots were the blokes who told lesbians
they should sleep with men. ‘You’ll enjoy it, love!’ Now those blokes are the
heroes, it seems, and the lesbians who say ‘No, thank you’ are uppity, hateful
‘genital fetishists’. The LGB Alliance is absolutely right to confront such neo-
homophobic nonsense. How have we arrived at a situation where it is
controversial, ‘hate speech’ no less, to say that genderfluid
Gary with his beard
and testicles is not a lesbian and never will be?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...take-the-hint/