[arista]

Now the 2 Josh's on here
would do great in National Service
not sure about Scott, though



Feel The Force

http://news.sky.com/story/1485474/ha...e-without-army

[Bring back National Service - I've said
that before," he said.
"But I put my hand up, as I said to
the kids today, you can make bad choices,
some severe, some not so severe.]

[joeysteele]

From what I heard many people who it was thought would do badly being 'called up' actually did very well in the end.

It would need to be from 16 to 18 to be right, to do it now,however with the cuts this govt; has made to the armed forces,I cannot see how it could be affordable now.

Is it a good idea, maybe, however the people who should be consulted as to it are the people it would affect, the young.

[MTVN]

It's a very oppressive thing for a government to impose on its citizens imo. I can see the benefits of it creating a sense of identity and being a coming-of-age thing but I don't agree with it being a compulsory commitment

[Tom4784]

Terrible idea, not everyone's suited to the Military and they shouldn't be forced into doing it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Terrible idea, not everyone's suited to the Military and they shouldn't be forced into doing it.

It would Improve your Body
Dezzy

[Kizzy]

Shut up Harry you berk, just because it kept you from running round china whites dressed as a nazi.
I don't think the experience for the rest of the nation would be quite so positive.

[Jay.]

Horrid idea, basically slavery to some extent. Not everyone is suited to it and I'd hate to be around war/fighting or even holding guns, the thought angers me. The government has enough control over peoples lives.

He hasn't exactly had the normal experience of being in the army either, considering he's a royal.

[Samuel.]

Absolutely not.

Nobody should be forced to support the army.

[Jack_]

Abolish the monarchy, says Jack_.

I would sooner kill myself than do national service. No thank you.

[Jarrod]

No thanks.

[jennyjuniper]

This is the one thing that I believe would immensely benefit Britain.
If any of you have ever watched 'Bad Lad's Army', you will know what I mean. They took 20 odd tearaways and put them through 3 months of basic training. Very few actually quit. Quite a few went on to join the regular army, but the vast majority benifitted in lots of ways and almost all were better men after than they were before.
Young men, who for whatever reason have lost their way, or just taken the wrong path, can benefit from discipline and pushing themselves further than they ever thought possible. It's doable and I would much rather see our young doing national service than just being on the scrap heap.

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Abolish the monarchy, says Jack_.

I would sooner kill myself than do national service. No thank you.

Sadly I agree with your last part.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Now the 2 Josh's on here
would do great in National Service
not sure about Scott, though



Feel The Force

http://news.sky.com/story/1485474/ha...e-without-army

[Bring back National Service - I've said
that before," he said.
"But I put my hand up, as I said to
the kids today, you can make bad choices,
some severe, some not so severe.]

Great idea,should have been done years ago.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

This is the one thing that I believe would immensely benefit Britain.
If any of you have ever watched 'Bad Lad's Army', you will know what I mean. They took 20 odd tearaways and put them through 3 months of basic training. Very few actually quit. Quite a few went on to join the regular army, but the vast majority benifitted in lots of ways and almost all were better men after than they were before.
Young men, who for whatever reason have lost their way, or just taken the wrong path, can benefit from discipline and pushing themselves further than they ever thought possible. It's doable and I would much rather see our young doing national service than just being on the scrap heap.

What would works for certain people wouldn't work for others. A silly TV show isn't representative of real life. National Service would not make things better, it's just another outdated concept that has no place in today's Britain. It's like when people say they should bring back caning in schools, that wouldn't solve anything it would just end in teachers getting the **** kicked out of them because not many students would stand there and take it nor should they.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Abolish the monarchy, says Jack_.

I would sooner kill myself than do national service. No thank you.

I would do the same... Or paralyse myself.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What would works for certain people wouldn't work for others. A silly TV show isn't representative of real life. National Service would not make things, it's just another outdated concept that has no place in today's Britain. It's like when people say they should bring back caning in schools, that wouldn't solve anything it would just end in teachers getting the **** kicked out of them because not many students would stand there and take it nor should they.

I now agree, if it was wanted by the young then fair enough but I agree no way should it, nor do I believe could it now be enforced on people.

I wouldn't support it being brought back in any way myself.

The overwhelming opinions against it on this thread make the strongest arguments for sure.

[Toy Soldier]

If it was made an option at 16 for anyone who wanted to take it up then fine. Not the same as joining the army, they would have to take anyone who wanted to do it, and it would be for 2 years flat with then the best being offered an actual place in the military and the rest simply "graduating" hopefully having learned a skill or two. That might be an OK alternative to continuing in education, for some.

However... compulsory? No no no. Nooo. Never. Some people are not cut out for the military. Some people are not destined to blindly bow down to authority. Some people also are - quite rightfully - ideologically opposed to the military and everything they stand for. Those things should never be taken away from anyone.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What would works for certain people wouldn't work for others. A silly TV show isn't representative of real life. National Service would not make things, it's just another outdated concept that has no place in today's Britain. It's like when people say they should bring back caning in schools, that wouldn't solve anything it would just end in teachers getting the **** kicked out of them because not many students would stand there and take it nor should they.

Well I for one remember the days when we did have discipline in schools and national service and society seemed the better for it.
Nowadays people are allowed to get away with almost anything, because they don't know the first thing about respect or self discipline.

[joeysteele]

It is also a little rich for someone like Prince Harry to advocate this and say he doesn't know where he would be today without the army.

Well, that is easy, no matter what he did, he would be still be 5th in line to the throne, he would have endless opportunities presented to him on a plate.

Whether he took them or not would be down to him.
He is a really pleasant guy but his world is still a whole other world away from the vast majority of those he would be advocating likely army life for.

[Ammi]

..do you not think though, Jenny...that 'back in the day' in schools etc ..it wasn't about respect, it was more about fear and fear stifles people ..and I just think that there are many things now/historical crimes and abuses etc that show that there were many problems and issues back in the day as well, and not really that much self discipline but more fear ..but now in schools, children from a very early age can be encouraged to express themselves in who they are...and doing that isn't just letting them do whatever with no discipline because that is also there but I think in a much more effective way which doesn't involve hitting/caning them which was done back in the day..and yeah that may have made them seem 'better behaved' but fear will do that for you, not respect...if they respect at school then they don't want to disappoint by breaking rules which then creates self discipline...

[arista]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Well I for one remember the days when we did have discipline in schools and national service and society seemed the better for it.
Nowadays people are allowed to get away with almost anything, because they don't know the first thing about respect or self discipline.

Yes JJ
if only Dezzy could see the bigger picture

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..do you not think though, Jenny...that 'back in the day' in schools etc ..it wasn't about respect, it was more about fear and fear stifles people ..and I just think that there are many things now/historical crimes and abuses etc that show that there were many problems and issues back in the day as well, and not really that much self discipline but more fear ..but now in schools, children from a very early age can be encouraged to express themselves in who they are...and doing that isn't just letting them do whatever with no discipline because that is also there but I think in a much more effective way which doesn't involve hitting/caning them which was done back in the day..and yeah that may have made them seem 'better behaved' but fear will do that for you, not respect...if they respect at school then they don't want to disappoint by breaking rules which then creates self discipline...

Excellent points.

[arista]

"doesn't involve hitting/caning them which was done back in the day.."

Sure Ammi

But the Army is pushing the Young to get better
and Teaching them Security Skills
Engine Skills and good solid management skills,


You need a Ex Army man
at your school teaching the young
his wisdom


Feel The Force.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

"doesn't involve hitting/caning them which was done back in the day.."

Sure Ammi

But the Army is pushing the Young to get better
and Teaching them Security Skills
Engine Skills and good solid management skills,


You need a Ex Army man
at your school teaching the young
his wisdom


Feel The Force.

..teaching them his wisdom for them to choose if they want to..not taking choices away through National Service...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..teaching them his wisdom for them to choose if they want to..not taking choices away through National Service...

Things can change fast.


I am sure you would get on well with Ex Army man